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Climate Change Effects far worse than ever imagined

GLOBAL WARMING WILL CAUSE WAR, PESTILENCE, FAMINE AND DEATH, SAYS NEW IPCC REPORT INEVITABLY



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Today sees the release of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) latest findings on the state of "global warming" and the news isn't good.

Here are some of the highlights:
Giant malarial mosquitoes the size of crane flies may descend en masse and drain us of our blood so quickly with their powerful razor sharp probosces that we won't even have time to be infected - we'll be dead before we hit the floor;

Bangladesh, Tuvalu, The Maldives and Florida will all be submerged;

Four horsemen with skulls for faces, glowing red eyes and huge scythes will gallop across the blighted land on skeletal horses spreading fire, pestilence, famine, and disease. Men will pray for the quick release of death. Children will clutch their parents and say: "Why didn't we listen?";

The populations of horrid things like cockroaches and scorpions will quintuple, while all the cute animals - wrens, robins, meerkats, baby polar bears, kittens, sea otters - will vanish as if they had never been;

Men will say openly that Christ and His saints slept;

There will be war, war and more war.

We know this because the Guardian's Suzanne Goldenberg is on the case. She has got in her climate doom predictions early and though she based her report on a leaked sneak preview rather than the finished document, she has undoubtedly captured the general tone, which is this: things are even worse than we thought!

And are things really even worse than we thought?
Not exactly, no. The real take-home story of the new report we already learned last week: that the latest estimates of the economic costs of "climate change" are considerably lower than previous projections; so much lower, in fact, that the costs could be offset by just a month's global economic growth.

It's to obscure this inconvenient truth that the Big Green Propaganda Machine will now be cranking into overdrive. Over the next few days - watch and listen: they'll be all over the MSM like a suppurating pox rash - "expert" after "expert" will be dragged out of the woodwork to testify that, no, this time it's serious and as a measure of the serious seriousness of it all it's really about time we silenced those Big-Oil-funded climate deniers for good. Throw them in jail, at any rate.

Over the weekend we saw none other than the ex-Archbishop of Canterbury, the bearded wizard Rowan Williams, sticking his crozier in:

Rich, industrialised countries, including our own, have unquestionably contributed most to atmospheric pollution; the development of profitable heavy industry relied on what we now think of as "dirty" energy sources, and involved environmental degradation on an unprecedented scale. Both our present lifestyle in the developed world and the history of how we created such possibilities for ourselves have to bear the responsibility for pushing the environment in which we live towards crisis.

This coincided with a report Taken By Storm by the charity he heads - Christian Aid - demanding "decisive action" to combat climate change.

The WWF is making similar demands:
Samantha Smith, leader of the WWF Global Climate & Energy Initiative says the report highlights, for the first time, the dramatic difference of impacts between a world where we act now to cut emissions, which now come mostly from using fossil fuels; and a world where we fail to act quickly and at scale.

“This report tells us that we have two clear choices: cut emissions now and invest in adaption - and have a world that has challenging and just barely manageable risks; or do nothing and face a world of devastating and unmanageable risks and impacts.”

Even the US Defense Department - to its eternal shame - has been co-opted into the green propaganda war. Last month it published its Quadrennial Defense Review, claiming that "climate change" could be a "threat multiplier."

Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions – conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence.

This is about as close to meaningless nonsense as makes no difference - as, no doubt, a good many in the US military are more than aware. But it is the inevitable consequence of the way the climate change worm has infected almost every major institution from the scientific academies and the universities to the various departments of government.

Unfortunately, it has given the IPCC just the excuse it needed to shoehorn war into its long list of things that might be caused some time in the future by global warming. As Seth Borenstein - AP's answer to Suzanne Goldenberg - reports it in his usual breathless fashion:

In an authoritative report due out Monday a United Nations climate panel for the first time is connecting hotter global temperatures to hotter global tempers. Top scientists are saying that climate change will complicate and worsen existing global security problems, such as civil wars, strife between nations and refugees.They're not saying it will cause violence, but will be an added factor making things even more dangerous. Fights over resources, like water and energy, hunger and extreme weather will all go into the mix to destabilize the world a bit more, says the report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Yeah, Seth, whatever. But you didn't get the stuff about the giant mosquitoes, did you? Or the four horsemen? Or the scorpions eating all the baby polar bears?
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:04 PM   #31
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Typical "enlightened" prog looking down his nose as being better (Smarter, more informed and more educated) than the folks. Thereby we need them to make decisions about our lifestyles. Sounds like feudalism with noblemen knowing what is best and/or like the divinity of kings era --now the divinity of scientists era.

Using the broad generality of "scientists" obscures the fact that there are scientists, plenty of them, that don't support AGW alarmism.
Sorry, but it's true. There is a portion of society today that's too dumb to know what's good for them.

There are plenty of scientists who don't support alarmism. Rightly so. There are very very few scientists who don't support the idea of AGW. Huge difference...
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:02 PM   #32
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As a bonus on the topic I see the national science foundation pissed away 700K of our tax money making some some "climate change musical."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...ional-science/
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:43 PM   #33
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Most scientists at least agree that the world is getting warmer. What the cause is we can debate, but ignoring that it IS happening is stunningly stupid.

Is the point of this thread to mock something that is going to have a significant impact on everything from farming to fresh water availability to ocean levels? If so, then whoever signs on for that is dumber than a bag of hammers.
And just a few years ago nutjobs like you knew the world was cooling. So really you know shit.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:45 PM   #34
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The problem lies in that we simply don't send our best/brightest into politics.
I don't think they're all as stupid as you do.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:49 PM   #35
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Then the man is a fool for believing unreliable and uninformed sources. It's not actually "Skepticism", it is simply ignorance.

Scientists have no control over what the media chooses or how they present it, or what the politicians then choose from the media's offerings.

What's happening here, is that ordinary people are mistrustful of actual scientists simply because they're too unintelligent to recognize misinformation.
I would contest that far too many scientists do not point out the exaggerated alarmism and are thus complicit in their findings being misrepresented.

Many scientists DO call the alarmism what it is, but you won't find many people willing to publish it. Right wingers often won't even acknowledge that it is happening, so they ignore them and the left won't acknowledge them because it doesn't fit their 'end of the world' prognostications. It's unfortunate. People should care more about what is simply TRUE.
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Yes people are ignorant but it's amazing how awful the media has been on this topic. I would estimate that it's fewer than 15% of people out there know that temperatures have been stagnant for 15+ years. I recently had an entire room full of people try to shout me down when I mentioned this fact. This is a pretty clear indication that people are being mislead on the topic and it's not as simple as saying "they should know better."
Better tread lightly dude or those that know better will shut this site down.
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And just a few years ago nutjobs like you knew the world was cooling. So really you know shit.
Just a few years ago?

You mean 40+ years ago?
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Then the man is a fool for believing unreliable and uninformed sources. It's not actually "Skepticism", it is simply ignorance.

Scientists have no control over what the media chooses or how they present it, or what the politicians then choose from the media's offerings.

What's happening here, is that ordinary people are mistrustful of actual scientists simply because they're too unintelligent to recognize misinformation.
Now that's the fool's response we were waiting for! 'Scientist' these days are driven by grants and motives more than knowledge, which is why we have so much crap 'science'. 'No findings' don't get extended grant money, so what's a little book cooking, especially if someone's offering you extra incentives to do so?

There are still some true scientist out there, but they are mostly suppressed for obvious reasons. $$$ Naturally I expect you to refute the truth because that's what fools do; it'll be more comic gold, a completely naïve and ignorant response, I sure! Please don't let use down!
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Now that's the fool's response we were waiting for! 'Scientist' these days are driven by grants and motives more than knowledge, which is why we have so much crap 'science'. 'No findings' don't get extended grant money, so what's a little book cooking, especially if someone's offering you extra incentives to do so?

There are still some true scientist out there, but they are mostly suppressed for obvious reasons. $$$ Naturally I expect you to refute the truth because that's what fools do; it'll be more comic gold, a completely naïve and ignorant response, I sure! Please don't let use down!
Do you have any evidence to support his outrageous claim that scientists are getting rich off of this?

I mean I keep hearing it, but never any evidence. At all. It's like you think saying something makes it true.

Maybe Ben Stein should make a movie about it.
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Just a few years ago?

You mean 40+ years ago?
No. Check in with recent history. Not near 40 years ago. And if it was, does that change anything? Ignorant ****s who were screaming about global cooling were every bit as dedicated to that as these nutbags are today. Only now there is a lot more money to be made.

Buy this bullshit?
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And just a few years ago nutjobs like you knew the world was cooling. So really you know shit.
Global cooling was a small-scale, not-widely-accepted fad theory from the 70's. Global warming and the current climate change models are overwhelmingly widely accepted, and have been so for decades. They're not the same.
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Also, a report on today's IPCC report from National Geographic.

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New Climate Change Report Warns of Dire Consequences
IPCC highlights risks of global warming and closing window of opportunity.

The world is not ready for the impacts of climate change, including more extreme weather and the likelihood that populated parts of the planet could be rendered uninhabitable, says the planet's leading body of climate scientists in a major new UN report.

The 772 scientists who wrote and edited the report argue that world leaders have only a few years left to reduce carbon emissions enough to avoid catastrophic warming, which would produce significant sea level rise and large-scale shifts in temperatures that would dramatically disrupt human life and natural ecosystems.

"Observed impacts of climate change are widespread and consequential," according to the report, which is from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and was released Monday morning in Yokohama, Japan.

The report uses stronger language around current impacts of climate change than past IPCC releases.

It warns that the impacts from changing climate are already happening, calling out "high risk levels" for spread of disease in Africa; property loss and mortality due to wildfires in North America; and decreased food production and food quality in South America. (See video: "Global Warming 101.")

The report also warns of more dire consequences to come and says governments are ill-prepared for the effects.

It shows that "today's choices are going to significantly affect the risk that climate change will pose for the rest of the century," says Kelly Levin, a scientist who studies climate change impacts at the World Resources Institute in Washington, D.C.

Frances Beinecke, the president of the Natural Resources Defense Council, called the report an "S.O.S. to the world."

"Crossing a Threshold"

The new report, from a body known as the UN panel's Working Group II, warns that the world is close to missing a chance to limit the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.

World leaders had previously agreed on a target of limiting warming to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit).

Beyond that point, "impacts will begin to be unacceptably severe," the authors wrote. (Quiz: What You Don't Know About Climate Science.)

"There is potential for crossing a threshold that leads to large system changes, and that's a very unknown world that has severe consequences," Levin says.

If the warming were to go beyond 6-to-7 degrees Fahrenheit (about four degrees Celsius), she says, as predicted by some climate models, "we would see extensive changes in agriculture."

Even at the lower end of predictions, the report warns: "Climate change will lead to increased frequency, intensity and/or duration of extreme weather events such as heavy rainfall, warm spells and heat events, drought, intense storm surges and associated sea-level rise."

Levin hopes the report will spur international leaders to negotiate more aggressive attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. (How does the greenhouse effect work?)

People Get Ready

Levin says the IPCC report's bottom line is that governments need to invest more in planning for the impacts of climate change. Communities that are already marginalized, she says, including the urban poor, are most at risk.

Some communities should be moved to less risky areas, and support services need to be bolstered, she says: "We need more fast-acting institutions and early-warning systems. We are already committed to significant warming, so adaptation is a great necessity."

Energy companies and governments are actively planning and building the infrastructure that will be in service for decades, she notes. As climate change continues, power plants will need to have enough water for cooling their systems in places that are likely to get hotter and drier.

"Whether we pick a low-emission or high-emission pathway, we may not see changes immediately," Levin says. "But in terms of a century it is a drastically different world."

The new report specifically calls out risks to agriculture.

"In the U.S. we have seen acute effects of severe heat on corn, cotton, and soy yields," says Noah Diffenbaugh, a climate scientist at Stanford University and one of the lead authors of the North American section of the document.

"That kind of severe heat is likely to increase in response to continued global warming," he says.

Understanding the IPCC

The IPCC was founded in 1988 and has released a report on the current state of scientific knowledge about climate change roughly every five years.

The new Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) updates the science since the last report was issued in 2007.

The massive report, running hundreds of pages, is being released in three sections, each prepared by a different working group.

Working Group I focused on the physical science behind climate change; its report was published last September (see the report's five key takeaways).

In April, Working Group III will address how governments can work to mitigate climate change.
Source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...hange-science/
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Global cooling was a small-scale, not-widely-accepted fad theory from the 70's. Global warming and the current climate change models are overwhelmingly widely accepted, and have been so for decades. They're not the same.
Any policy change we make in the next 50-100 years that affects our economy is completely retarded and based on nothing more than alarm-ism. Agree or disagree?
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Global cooling was a small-scale, not-widely-accepted fad theory from the 70's. Global warming and the current climate change models are overwhelmingly widely accepted, and have been so for decades. They're not the same.
No. Its not. But you keep telling yourself that. Delusional ****ers like you are a danger to all. The good news is every day fewer and fewer people pay any attention to the AlGore types. Your data is flawed . Your conclusions are not supported. But you hang in there.
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Any policy change we make in the next 50-100 years that affects our economy is completely retarded and based on nothing more than alarm-ism. Agree or disagree?
Vehemently and completely disagree, because of the word 'any'. We could make stupid and costly ones; we could also make incredibly important and costly ones.
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