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GLOBAL WARMING WILL CAUSE WAR, PESTILENCE, FAMINE AND DEATH, SAYS NEW IPCC REPORT INEVITABLY



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Today sees the release of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) latest findings on the state of "global warming" and the news isn't good.

Here are some of the highlights:
Giant malarial mosquitoes the size of crane flies may descend en masse and drain us of our blood so quickly with their powerful razor sharp probosces that we won't even have time to be infected - we'll be dead before we hit the floor;

Bangladesh, Tuvalu, The Maldives and Florida will all be submerged;

Four horsemen with skulls for faces, glowing red eyes and huge scythes will gallop across the blighted land on skeletal horses spreading fire, pestilence, famine, and disease. Men will pray for the quick release of death. Children will clutch their parents and say: "Why didn't we listen?";

The populations of horrid things like cockroaches and scorpions will quintuple, while all the cute animals - wrens, robins, meerkats, baby polar bears, kittens, sea otters - will vanish as if they had never been;

Men will say openly that Christ and His saints slept;

There will be war, war and more war.

We know this because the Guardian's Suzanne Goldenberg is on the case. She has got in her climate doom predictions early and though she based her report on a leaked sneak preview rather than the finished document, she has undoubtedly captured the general tone, which is this: things are even worse than we thought!

And are things really even worse than we thought?
Not exactly, no. The real take-home story of the new report we already learned last week: that the latest estimates of the economic costs of "climate change" are considerably lower than previous projections; so much lower, in fact, that the costs could be offset by just a month's global economic growth.

It's to obscure this inconvenient truth that the Big Green Propaganda Machine will now be cranking into overdrive. Over the next few days - watch and listen: they'll be all over the MSM like a suppurating pox rash - "expert" after "expert" will be dragged out of the woodwork to testify that, no, this time it's serious and as a measure of the serious seriousness of it all it's really about time we silenced those Big-Oil-funded climate deniers for good. Throw them in jail, at any rate.

Over the weekend we saw none other than the ex-Archbishop of Canterbury, the bearded wizard Rowan Williams, sticking his crozier in:

Rich, industrialised countries, including our own, have unquestionably contributed most to atmospheric pollution; the development of profitable heavy industry relied on what we now think of as "dirty" energy sources, and involved environmental degradation on an unprecedented scale. Both our present lifestyle in the developed world and the history of how we created such possibilities for ourselves have to bear the responsibility for pushing the environment in which we live towards crisis.

This coincided with a report Taken By Storm by the charity he heads - Christian Aid - demanding "decisive action" to combat climate change.

The WWF is making similar demands:
Samantha Smith, leader of the WWF Global Climate & Energy Initiative says the report highlights, for the first time, the dramatic difference of impacts between a world where we act now to cut emissions, which now come mostly from using fossil fuels; and a world where we fail to act quickly and at scale.

This report tells us that we have two clear choices: cut emissions now and invest in adaption - and have a world that has challenging and just barely manageable risks; or do nothing and face a world of devastating and unmanageable risks and impacts.

Even the US Defense Department - to its eternal shame - has been co-opted into the green propaganda war. Last month it published its Quadrennial Defense Review, claiming that "climate change" could be a "threat multiplier."

Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence.

This is about as close to meaningless nonsense as makes no difference - as, no doubt, a good many in the US military are more than aware. But it is the inevitable consequence of the way the climate change worm has infected almost every major institution from the scientific academies and the universities to the various departments of government.

Unfortunately, it has given the IPCC just the excuse it needed to shoehorn war into its long list of things that might be caused some time in the future by global warming. As Seth Borenstein - AP's answer to Suzanne Goldenberg - reports it in his usual breathless fashion:

In an authoritative report due out Monday a United Nations climate panel for the first time is connecting hotter global temperatures to hotter global tempers. Top scientists are saying that climate change will complicate and worsen existing global security problems, such as civil wars, strife between nations and refugees.They're not saying it will cause violence, but will be an added factor making things even more dangerous. Fights over resources, like water and energy, hunger and extreme weather will all go into the mix to destabilize the world a bit more, says the report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Yeah, Seth, whatever. But you didn't get the stuff about the giant mosquitoes, did you? Or the four horsemen? Or the scorpions eating all the baby polar bears?
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:34 PM   #46
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No. Its not. But you keep telling yourself that. Delusional ****ers like you are a danger to all. The good news is every day fewer and fewer people pay any attention to the AlGore types. Your data is flawed . Your conclusions are not supported. But you hang in there.
My conclusions, and the IPCC's conclusions, and the conclusions of every scientific organization and just about every reputable individual scientist on the planet are not supported, you mean? All their data is flawed, and all of them are the 'danger to all'? Okay.
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Old 03-31-2014, 10:22 PM   #47
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Old 03-31-2014, 11:30 PM   #48
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:41 AM   #49
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My conclusions, and the IPCC's conclusions, and the conclusions of every scientific organization and just about every reputable individual scientist on the planet are not supported, you mean? All their data is flawed, and all of them are the 'danger to all'? Okay.
The IPCC is a bureaucracy. Many people on this panel are NOT scientists. Not sure I care about what they say honestly. They were assembled to push a political agenda and they've been caught more than once bullshitting people with over-the-top alarmism.

That doesn't take away from the science, but they do more damage than anything. They're part of the problem.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:58 AM   #51
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Wait what??? I think it it's not totally on assault rifles, it's got to be the carbon footprint Al Gore imposed on mother earth. Truly a man who hates mother earth...

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Do you have any evidence to support his outrageous claim that scientists are getting rich off of this?

I mean I keep hearing it, but never any evidence. At all. It's like you think saying something makes it true.

Maybe Ben Stein should make a movie about it.
Reading is fundamental.

Where did anyone state scientists are 'getting rich off of this'? I made a fairly common knowledge claim, that research grants don't get renewed when the research findings don't support 'further investigations' or what they were looking for. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

I also asserted that special interest groups will toss in money for the explicit goal of obtaining certain findings. Do you honestly believe that Al Gore pushed grants with an open mind on the findings? If so, I've got some GREAT property to sell you!
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:14 AM   #54
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The IPCC is a bureaucracy. Many people on this panel are NOT scientists. Not sure I care about what they say honestly. They were assembled to push a political agenda and they've been caught more than once bullshitting people with over-the-top alarmism.

That doesn't take away from the science, but they do more damage than anything. They're part of the problem.
Most of them are not scientists. I counted up the whole list one time.
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Now that's the fool's response we were waiting for! 'Scientist' these days are driven by grants and motives more than knowledge, which is why we have so much crap 'science'. 'No findings' don't get extended grant money, so what's a little book cooking, especially if someone's offering you extra incentives to do so?

There are still some true scientist out there, but they are mostly suppressed for obvious reasons. $$$ Naturally I expect you to refute the truth because that's what fools do; it'll be more comic gold, a completely nave and ignorant response, I sure! Please don't let use down!
That's a ridiculous claim. Everyone is driven by money. Doctors, lawyers, architects, CEOs, etc. If your doctor told you that you needed heart surgery, would you immediately question his motives because his occupation is driven by profits from heart surgery?

It's quite telling that you think scientists could simply "Cook the books", like the science of climate change is simply one person's crap written in a book which isn't verifiable. This is the disconnect I was talking about earlier, in which you have no clue about how the science works. You think it's like some 1950s accountant book. You cannot say why it's wrong because you don't understand it. You cannot present data that would prove it wrong. You cannot even present a majority opinion from any scientific entities that deny climate change.

What you're describing isn't really even possible. Climate change data is shared globally. The raw data is available to anyone who wants to view it. Scientific organizations worldwide agree that climate change is happening, humans are contributing, and potential effects could be damaging. You have absolutely no intelligent rebuttal to that other than "Uhh uhhh, no it's not. Those science people are liars!" That's the honest truth, and I challenge you to show otherwise. You have no data to present. No opinions from actual climate scientists that show agreement with your claims. Just the delusional idea that it's some grand global conspiracy, without so much as a shred of evidence to show for it.
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Would the people who want to take drastic remedial measures to curb the impacts of climate change be willing to go to war over it with nations like China and India if they refuse to take equally drastic measures?
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The IPCC is a bureaucracy. Many people on this panel are NOT scientists. Not sure I care about what they say honestly. They were assembled to push a political agenda and they've been caught more than once bullshitting people with over-the-top alarmism.

That doesn't take away from the science, but they do more damage than anything. They're part of the problem.
While I agree that there is a great deal of bureaucracy involved with the IPCC, what they say is still very very important. You should absolutely question the political motives that are spawned from the report results, that are guaranteed to be ****ed up. But the data and trends shown in the report itself are still very important to climate change as a whole. It's not the report you should fear, but instead the idiot politicians who will try and use the report to further their own misguided actions. The report is based upon tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers and contributions from countless global climate science organizations. The data is fine. It's how we now use this data that should be in question.
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Also, a report on today's IPCC report from National Geographic.



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Except the modeling is consistently wrong. And not by increments. Actually totally overblown in remotely forecasting the impacts of global warming.

And yes, the globe has been warming. Been doing it for about 18,000 years. It does that from time to time. Is it a bad thing? I don't think so. Life thrives in warmer climates. Ever visit the high yield crops of Antarctica? No, you haven't. Because life does not thrive in cold environments. So, if it weren't for global warming humanity, at best, would have roughly 2/3ds of available land mass covered in sheets of ice. Try growing something through a couple miles of ice.

The models are wrong. Get the science right before expecting people to believe in it. Yes the planet is warming. Account for 18,000 years of it and develop models that are remotely accurate and you can have my attention.
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No. Its not. But you keep telling yourself that. Delusional ****ers like you are a danger to all. The good news is every day fewer and fewer people pay any attention to the AlGore types. Your data is flawed . Your conclusions are not supported. But you hang in there.
Actual climate scientists have shunned Al Gore for a long time. Climate change deniers like yourself are the only ones still clinging to the notion that Al Gore represents anything at all to do with climate change. Al Gore is a politician.
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Except the modeling is consistently wrong. And not by increments. Actually totally overblown in remotely forecasting the impacts of global warming.

And yes, the globe has been warming. Been doing it for about 18,000 years. It does that from time to time. Is it a bad thing? I don't think so. Life thrives in warmer climates. Ever visit the high yield crops of Antarctica? No, you haven't. Because life does not thrive in cold environments. So, if it weren't for global warming humanity, at best, would have roughly 2/3ds of available land mass covered in sheets of ice. Try growing something through a couple miles of ice.

The models are wrong. Get the science right before expecting people to believe in it. Yes the planet is warming. Account for 18,000 years of it and develop models that are remotely accurate and you can have my attention.
Which models are you talking about? Who exactly has declared them wrong? Can you provide any links to verify that claim?
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