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Old 03-31-2014, 12:13 PM  
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U.S. could free Israeli spy in deal to save peace talks

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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli spy serving a life sentence in the United States and groups of Palestinian prisoners could be freed under an emerging deal to salvage Middle East peace talks, sources close to the negotiations said on Monday.

The sources, who spoke as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry prepared to meet Israeli and Palestinian leaders, said under the proposed arrangement that Jonathan Pollard, a former U.S. Navy analyst caught spying for Israel in the 1980s, could be released by mid-April.

In addition, Israel would go ahead with a promised release of a fourth group of Palestinians, among the 104 it pledged to free in a deal that led to the renewal of peace talks last July. Another group of jailed Palestinians would also go free - and the peace talks would be extended beyond an April 29 deadline, the sources said.
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Old 03-31-2014, 12:20 PM   #2
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Why does a criminal in the US penal system have anything to do with peace talks between Israel and palestinians?
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Old 03-31-2014, 12:23 PM   #3
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Why does a criminal in the US penal system have anything to do with peace talks between Israel and palestinians?
Israel has wanted Pollard released for some time. If he is released, the Israeli's will release some "Palestinians" in a quid pro quo.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:16 PM   #4
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release some "Palestinians" in a quid pro quo.
that wouldnt be a quid pro quo.

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something that is given to you or done for you in return for something you have given to or done for someone else
releasing Americans held in Israel would be a quid pro quo.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:22 PM   #5
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that wouldnt be a quid pro quo.



releasing Americans held in Israel would be a quid pro quo.
Actually it is. The something we get is a continuation of peace talks.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:36 PM   #6
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Actually it is. The something we get is a continuation of peace talks.
I would think the $3 billion in annual aid that the US give to israel would suffice in the continuation of peace talks. That has been the prior quid pro quo.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:38 PM   #7
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I would think the $3 billion in annual aid that the US give to israel would suffice in the continuation of peace talks. That has been the prior quid pro quo.
That's a fine opinion to have, but it's pretty clear that Pollard's release is directly linked to the peace process.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:06 PM   #8
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That's a fine opinion to have, but it's pretty clear that Pollard's release is directly linked to the peace process.
You don't see how Israel is playing the US like a fiddle do you?
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:35 PM   #9
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I oppose this. Partly because I think Pollard shouldn't be released, but mostly because I think coercing Israel into continuing peace talks is a fool's errand. If I really thought a lasting peace could be achieved by giving up Pollard, then I might swallow hard and accept it, but I don't think there's any chance of that in the current environment. Like so many things Obama, this is an opportunity to give something real up in return for something imaginary.
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:48 PM   #10
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That's a fine opinion to have, but it's pretty clear that Pollard's release is directly linked to the peace process.
It does bother me. I understand that I probably do not have the mindset to negotiate in this way, and maybe that's one of the reasons I'm not a professional diplomat, but it feels counterintuitive.
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Like so many things Obama, this is an opportunity to give something real up in return for something imaginary.
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Yes, I do. Allies are funny like that.
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I would be adamantly opposed to this, but Pollard has served 25 years already and is eligible for parole on his life sentence as of 2015, which I imagine he would get. Frankly, I think the message to Israel -- that if you spy on us they won't receive leniency just because you're our friend -- has already been delivered.

I have consistently been against releasing Pollard, but given that he is very likely eligible for parole, and imminent parole, it just doesn't seem like a really big deal.

Revoke his US citizenship, ship him back to Israel with a "don't come back" kick in the ass, and be done with it. If it gets us a nugget from Israel to do it a year early, sure, whatever.

Agree with Pat that giving Israel something to continue with peace talks is almost certainly a wasted investment.
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I oppose this. Partly because I think Pollard shouldn't be released, but mostly because I think coercing Israel into continuing peace talks is a fool's errand. If I really thought a lasting peace could be achieved by giving up Pollard, then I might swallow hard and accept it, but I don't think there's any chance of that in the current environment. Like so many things Obama, this is an opportunity to give something real up in return for something imaginary.
I'm on the fence on this, as I despise spies. But, Pollard is due to be paroled in a year or so and what he took was our intelligence on Arab states, the Soviet Union and others.
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