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Old 03-31-2014, 09:51 PM  
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:02 PM   #91
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This is hard to answer because not all states ask about prior insurance status, but those who do ask (Kentucky, New York, others) are finding that 60-75% of enrollees were previously uninsured.

Keep in mind, the vast majority of people who had their plan cancelled bought a new plan direct from their insurer, so they aren't counted in the 7 million buying off the exchange.
Thanks, but I'm confused by your answer. If the people who had their plans canceled aren't included in the 7 million and ~60% of that 7 million has no insurance previously, who are the other 40%?

And what number did the Democrats throw around about the number of uninsured? Wasn't it 30 million?
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:05 PM   #92
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This is hard to answer because not all states ask about prior insurance status, but those who do ask (Kentucky, New York, others) are finding that 60-75% of enrollees were previously uninsured.

Keep in mind, the vast majority of people who had their plan cancelled bought a new plan direct from their insurer, so they aren't counted in the 7 million buying off the exchange.
I call shenanigans. That goes completely against EVERY major study/survey that I have seen. All of which place the previously uninsured signup figures in the 25-30% range. (This is not taking into account the fact many have yet to pay)

Did you get your numbers flipped? 75% were previously INSURED.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:06 PM   #93
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This is accurate IF you are claiming previously uninsured who have also PAID. Although I think this is based on old data and a new report set to be released in the next few days will show that the number of paid previously uninsured is now closer to 24%...which is still a really crappy number.
IIRC?? I seen those numbers around the beginning of March.
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IIRC?? I seen those numbers around the beginning of March.
Yep, they were published right after the first week of March.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:10 PM   #96
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Thanks, but I'm confused by your answer. If the people who had their plans canceled aren't included in the 7 million and ~60% of that 7 million has no insurance previously, who are the other 40%?

And what number did the Democrats throw around about the number of uninsured? Wasn't it 30 million?
The other 25-40% are people who were previously insured and purchased through the exchange, as opposed to purchasing from their previous insurer directly.

The number of insured is much higher than 30 million, more like 44. Obamacare was never going to reach all of them. The best estimates of the number of uninsured gaining coverage in 2014 is 13 million when you include everything, exchanges, medicaid expansion, etc.
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I call shenanigans. That goes completely against EVERY major study/survey that I have seen. All of which place the previously uninsured signup figures in the 25-30% range. (This is not taking into account the fact many have yet to pay)

Did you get your numbers flipped? 75% were previously INSURED.
The surveys are of everyone buying insurance on the individual market, not of people buying on the exchange. Previously insured people are a lot more likely to buy directly from their insurer and previously uninsured are obviously more likely to buy off the exchange, so both numbers are correct, just for different populations. The question I was responding to was about the share of the 7 million that were previously uninsured, ie exchange customers, and that is in the 60-75% range.
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The other 25-40% are people who were previously insured and purchased through the exchange, as opposed to purchasing from their previous insurer directly.

The number of insured is much higher than 30 million, more like 44. Obamacare was never going to reach all of them. The best estimates of the number of uninsured gaining coverage in 2014 is 13 million when you include everything, exchanges, medicaid expansion, etc.
Dude go back and look at the numbers. You have them flipped. It's 25-30% who were previously UNinsured.

http://healthcare.mckinsey.com/indiv...t-updated-view
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After watching a few facebook post from kids 20 to 25 yesterday, question being?
Are you going to sign up for Obamacare. It was a resounding no. one lil poll or group of friends was 78 no to 5 yeses last I looked.

The youth enrollment is whats going to kill this approach. I dnt believe its ever going away(throw more money at it) but they better come up with a better way to fund this shit & fast. These kids know or feel like they are being screwed
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The surveys are of everyone buying insurance on the individual market, not of people buying on the exchange. Previously insured people are a lot more likely to buy directly from their insurer and previously uninsured are obviously more likely to buy off the exchange, so both numbers are correct, just for different populations. The question I was responding to was about the share of the 7 million that were previously uninsured, ie exchange customers, and that is in the 60-75% range.
Nope. The RAND study shows it to be in the same range. 24% And that is based solely on the exchanges.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
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Nope. The RAND study shows it to be in the same range. 24% And that is based solely on the exchanges.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
So, 1,600,000 previously uninsured people now have insurance. FD mentioned 44 million previously had no insurance.

And THIS is a success? I'd hate to see the failure...
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Nope. The RAND study shows it to be in the same range. 24% And that is based solely on the exchanges.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...sly-uninsured/
Well, this says 1/3, not 24%, but point taken. It is probably somewhere in the middle of what these surveys say and the much higher numbers states are reporting. I look forward to seeing the RAND report when it is released, its hard to get much out of these articles before the report comes out. I was mostly familiar with the McKinsey report, which as I mentioned is for everybody on the individual market, not exchange purchases.
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