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Old 04-01-2014, 04:27 PM   #106
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So, 1,600,000 previously uninsured people now have insurance. FD mentioned 44 million previously had no insurance.

And THIS is a success? I'd hate to see the failure...
You might have missed it in my post, but the CBO is saying that altogether 13 million fewer people will be uninsured in 2014 as a result of the law. RAND says 9.5 million. Again, probably somewhere in the middle.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:29 PM   #107
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You might have missed it in my post, but the CBO is saying that altogether 13 million fewer people will be uninsured in 2014 as a result of the law. RAND says 9.5 million. Again, probably somewhere in the middle.
How do you get from 1,600,000 to 13,000,000 this year? And what about the other 31,000,000?
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:34 PM   #108
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How do you get from 1,600,000 to 13,000,000 this year? And what about the other 31,000,000?
I don't pretend to be an expert on health policy. If you are interested in their methodology here is the report :

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...-AppendixB.pdf

I have a decent amount of faith in the CBO on this since they did an incredible job forecasting the number of exchange sign ups, at just over 7 million. I do know a thing or two about forecasting and they absolutely hit a bulls eye on that and I take my hat off to them.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:35 PM   #109
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How do you get from 1,600,000 to 13,000,000 this year? And what about the other 31,000,000?
He is counting the 4.5 million Medicaid and 3 million under 26 year olds on parents insurance.

The number of uninsured was 45-48 million before this debacle.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:37 PM   #110
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I don't pretend to be an expert on health policy. If you are interested in their methodology here is the report :

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...-AppendixB.pdf

I have a decent amount of faith in the CBO on this since they did an incredible job forecasting the number of exchange sign ups, at just over 7 million. I do know a thing or two about forecasting and they absolutely hit a bulls eye on that and I take my hat off to them.
I also know a thing a two about "massaging" numbers to create false positives that support you predictions. Not a chance in HELL that the 7.1 number is accurate. Of course, they'll simply hold back the numbers from public consumption until it IS accurate.

Only way I'll believe that bullshit figure is if they release the numbers this week. It's a farce to claim they can't.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:39 PM   #112
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I also know a thing a two about "massaging" numbers to create false positives that support you predictions. Not a chance in HELL that the 7.1 number is accurate. Of course, they'll simply hold back the numbers from public consumption until it IS accurate.

Only way I'll believe that bullshit figure is if they release the numbers this week. It's a farce to claim they can't.
Did they not release the numbers today? Isn't that what the press conference was for?
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The raw figures (if you believe the 7.1 number is PAID applicants... HAHAHAHAHA) add up to

3 (<26 year olds)
+4.5 (Medicaid)
+1.7 (Exchanges)
+~.8 (direct from insurers)

For a grand total of 10 million (give or take a million) previously uninsured.

Out of 45-48 million.

The VAST majority of which (7.5 million) are either sponging off their parents or the government.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:46 PM   #115
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Did they not release the numbers today? Isn't that what the press conference was for?
They did not. They made an unsubstantiated claim of 7.1 million with no figures to back it up. I went into the site and played around dozens of times. I would wager that I am counted 5 or 10 times in that 7.1 figure. Until they release real numbers on who is actually signed up not who simply used the website, it's fantasy land.
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A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America’s health care system ‘a lot better’ in a Rose Garden press conference.

But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality.

Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night. [...]

Aside from the issue of the numbers’ likely decrease when non-paying enrollments are taken into account, administration officials have been coy about the RAND Corporation study, which suggests that relatively few Obamacare enrollees were previously uninsured.

‘What I can tell you is that we expect there to be a good mix of people who were previously uninsured who now have insurance,’ Carney said Monday.

‘Certainly, there’s a significant number who now have qualified for Medicaid in those states that expanded Medicaid who will have insurance who didn’t have it before.’

In addition to his claim of 7.1 million enrollments, Obama also announced that ‘three million young people’ under age 26 have gained coverage as add-ons to their parents’ policies. and ‘millions more … gained access through Medicaid expansion,’ he said.

Those totals – young adults attached to their parents’ insurance and new taxpayer-funded Medicaid subscribers – far exceed the 7.1 million number the White House trumpeted on Tuesday.

The Affordable Care Act carried with it the promise of covering ‘every American,’ and it appears to have fallen tremendously short.
The unpublished RAND study – only the Los Angeles Times has seen it – found that just 23 per cent of new enrollees had no insurance before signing up.

And of those newly insured Americans, just 53 per cent have paid their first month’s premiums.

If those numbers hold, the actual net gain of paid policies among Americans who lacked medical insurance in the pre-Obamacare days would be just 858,298.

Obama’s Rose Garden speech included an acknowledgement that the Affordable Care Act ‘has had its share of problems,’ and has at times been ‘contentious and confusing … That’s part of what change looks like in a Democracy.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...igning-up.html
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When they didn't design any way to keep track of sign-ups like they claim, any number can be thrown out there. Amazing how the number jumped 2 or 3 million in the last couple of weeks. I BELIEVE the Liar Of The Year though, don't you?
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After watching a few facebook post from kids 20 to 25 yesterday, question being?
Are you going to sign up for Obamacare. It was a resounding no. one lil poll or group of friends was 78 no to 5 yeses last I looked.

The youth enrollment is whats going to kill this approach. I dnt believe its ever going away(throw more money at it) but they better come up with a better way to fund this shit & fast. These kids know or feel like they are being screwed
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