Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-02-2014, 08:36 AM  
WhawhaWhat WhawhaWhat is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Casino cash: $34641
The Supreme Court strikes down campaign donation limits

http://news.yahoo.com/high-court-voi...--finance.html

Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
The more you give, the more you get.
Posts: 3,999
WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.WhawhaWhat Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:23 PM   #136
aturnis aturnis is online now
MVP
 
aturnis's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Iowa
Casino cash: $94075
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
Yup... And even at $7.25 they get the same one-vote that the head of the company does.

That being said, if they get their $.25 raise, I've love to be there to watch those who lose their jobs to make up the difference (and they will) get mad and play the victim card and tell us all just how unfair that is. I'm sure all those others will chip-in to pay all their bills...
You are so ****ing ridiculously retarded if you REALLY think McDonald's or Walmart would have to lay anyone of if minimum wage went up to $10.10.
Posts: 10,604
aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:24 PM   #137
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $111913
" The liberty of democracy is not safe...." if "private power" is stronger than "their democratic state?"

Wow! That's a commie/socialist quote by FDR, if I ever heard one. But then we know what FDR really was.

  1. First off, America is not a democracy.
  2. Second off, our Constitution was designed intentionally to create a Federal government that would be weaker than the private sector.
  3. Third off, democracy does not equal liberty. Limited govt does.
  4. Fourth, Marx believed democracy was the road to socialism.
  5. Fifth, fascism is not ownership of a government by an individual or a group.
    An individual would could be a monarchy and a group could be an oligarchy.
  6. One could say a communism or socialism is owned by a group.

Loneiguana, succeeds again in showing the civics crap that's taught in schools today.
Unbelievable that a college graduate believes such nonsense.
__________________

Last edited by BucEyedPea; 04-03-2014 at 07:33 PM..
Posts: 56,880
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:38 PM   #138
GloucesterChief GloucesterChief is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Jan 2013
Casino cash: $17669
Quote:
Originally Posted by listopencil View Post
“If we give union members the right to opt out of, to refuse to fund union political speech, we ought to give shareholders the right to opt out of funding corporate political speech,” said Benjamin Sachs, a labor-law expert at Harvard, told NPR last month.

That's an interesting idea. I don't think it will ever happen because of the differences in the two types of entities involved.

The shareholder can easily opt out by selling their shares.

That quote is almost full retard.
Posts: 1,404
GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.GloucesterChief would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:39 PM   #139
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $142455
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis View Post
You are so ****ing ridiculously retarded if you REALLY think McDonald's or Walmart would have to lay anyone of if minimum wage went up to $10.10.
I was going to say:

"You are suck a cum-sucking, dip-shit, ass-eye, butt munch! Just thought I'd get in on the name-calling effort you're trying to display skills in!

Obviously you're part of the $7.25 crowd, or represent them.

As for knowing what those companies can afford, don't think you're anymore qualified to say what they can, and can't, afford than I can about your McDonald's coworker's deal."


Then I realized your just mad at "the man" because "he" kicks you in your financial dick most days of the week.

I'm sorry!
Posts: 21,142
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:50 PM   #140
ClevelandBronco ClevelandBronco is offline
Banned
 
ClevelandBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Casino cash: $160770
Doesn't matter much. Given the choice between monied entities raping the **** out this country or its schooled but uneducated people running it, I choose not to choose.
Posts: 20,221
ClevelandBronco has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:53 PM   #141
mlyonsd mlyonsd is offline
Supporter
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Spink, SD
Casino cash: $54954
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief View Post
The shareholder can easily opt out by selling their shares.

That quote is almost full retard.
I kind of thought that was obvious. One would think if you are invested in a company it's understood you are willing to let them take your money with the intention they will make decisions to make you more.
Posts: 24,941
mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:53 PM   #142
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $142455
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco View Post
Doesn't matter much. Given the choice between monied entities raping the **** out this country or its schooled but uneducated people running it, I choose not to choose.
Check... I have a cat who has committed to vote in your place.
Posts: 21,142
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:01 PM   #143
aturnis aturnis is online now
MVP
 
aturnis's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Iowa
Casino cash: $94075
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
I was going to say:

"You are suck a cum-sucking, dip-shit, ass-eye, butt munch! Just thought I'd get in on the name-calling effort you're trying to display skills in!

Obviously you're part of the $7.25 crowd, or represent them.

As for knowing what those companies can afford, don't think you're anymore qualified to say what they can, and can't, afford than I can about your McDonald's coworker's deal."


Then I realized your just mad at "the man" because "he" kicks you in your financial dick most days of the week.

I'm sorry!
McDonald's PROFITED 5.5billion last year. They can afford it.

Pretty sure the CEO tripled his own salary without affecting the price of a burger. They can afford it.

As for Wal-Mart...yanno what, maybe you just don't understand the concept of money?
Posts: 10,604
aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:04 PM   #144
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $111913
How none of the lefties in here are referencing the Constitution but using quotes from FDR or their own feelings to show that the SC decision is flawed?

Oh wait, because they could give a rats ass about the document's words! The prefer to lurk in the shadows of penumbras.
__________________
Posts: 56,880
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:06 PM   #145
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $264996
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis View Post
You are so ****ing ridiculously retarded if you REALLY think McDonald's or Walmart would have to lay anyone of if minimum wage went up to $10.10.
What about the small business owner? You know, small business? The businesses that employ most of the workers in this country?
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 65,532
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:14 PM   #146
aturnis aturnis is online now
MVP
 
aturnis's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Iowa
Casino cash: $94075
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
What about the small business owner? You know, small business? The businesses that employ most of the workers in this country?
Most small business owners already pay above minimum wage. The average hourly pay of employees at the small business that employs me is probably $25-30 per hour not including ahh benefits. Add all associated costs of an employee and it's quite a bit.

The types of small businesses that would suffer most are small family owned restaurants etc. To which I would support a separate minimum wage for high school and possibly even college students.
Posts: 10,604
aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:17 PM   #147
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $264996
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis View Post
Most small business owners already pay above minimum wage. The average hourly pay of employees at the small business that employs me is probably $25-30 per hour not including ahh benefits. Add all associated costs of an employee and it's quite a bit.

The types of small businesses that would suffer most are small family owned restaurants etc. To which I would support a separate minimum wage for high school and possibly even college students.
You fail to see the economic domino effect of raising the minimum wage. Then again so do most liberals. It just makes them feel good to say the minimum wage should be raised. Like with most of their policies they are clueless about the consequences
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 65,532
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:30 PM   #148
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
Good luck KC Chiefs...
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
Casino cash: $142455
Quote:
Originally Posted by aturnis View Post
McDonald's PROFITED 5.5billion last year. They can afford it.

Pretty sure the CEO tripled his own salary without affecting the price of a burger. They can afford it.

As for Wal-Mart...yanno what, maybe you just don't understand the concept of money?
Good for the CEO! And good for my retirement plan (in both cases).. With $5.5B in profits, he earned it. He's awesome!

The folks you're talking about flip burgers after filling-out an application to do so at the given pay, deal with it! If they don't like it, tel them to walk! tell them to go apply for a CEO job if they think they (like you) know so much about money! And if they could have done $6.5B instead of $5.5B, dang!!! But I doubt they could. But they can walk, they chose not to.

And I very-much get money, it sounds like you don't, and you're siding with people who don't either.
Posts: 21,142
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:32 PM   #149
aturnis aturnis is online now
MVP
 
aturnis's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Iowa
Casino cash: $94075
You are an idiot if you think he earned that. McDonald's would make that with your cat at the helm. Herp derp
Posts: 10,604
aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.aturnis Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:33 PM   #150
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $264996
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
Good for the CEO! And good for my retirement plan (in both cases).. With $5.5B in profits, he earned it. He's awesome!

The folks you're talking about flip burgers after filling-out an application to do so at the given pay, deal with it! If they don't like it, tel them to walk! tell them to go apply for a CEO job if they think they (like you) know so much about money! And if they could have done $6.5B instead of $5.5B, dang!!! But I doubt they could. But they can walk, they chose not to.

And I very-much get money, it sounds like you don't, and you're siding with people who don't either.
Actually that is part of the current problem. CEO and executive pay is going up while worker pay is staying flat. That's what fuels people like aturnis to support BS policies.
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 65,532
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.