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Old 04-02-2014, 08:36 AM  
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The Supreme Court strikes down campaign donation limits

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:52 PM   #46
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Public finance is the worst of all worlds. It means govt gets to control the election--NOT a GOOD IDEA at ALL! Replacing one tyranny with another, is not a solution.

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Old 04-02-2014, 03:25 PM   #47
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Public finance would be awesome.
It would be almost as awesome as ObamaCare!!
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:29 PM   #48
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wow, almost as awesome as obamacare?

well, that's freaking awesome!

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Old 04-02-2014, 04:37 PM   #49
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Do a lot of people here think unions deserve unlimited contributions but corporations don't?

If not, where are all these terrible "democrats just want to limit republican speech" arguments coming from?
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:42 PM   #50
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Do a lot of people here think unions deserve unlimited contributions but corporations don't?

If not, where are all these terrible "democrats just want to limit republican speech" arguments coming from?
Democrats have turned down money from what rich contributor?

None. Nor should they. Freedom scares the shit out of the left.
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:51 PM   #51
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Was that supposed to answer my question or are you just writing words down on a page that make you feel good?
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:14 PM   #52
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Do a lot of people here think unions deserve unlimited contributions but corporations don't?

If not, where are all these terrible "democrats just want to limit republican speech" arguments coming from?
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case it's the terrible argument analogue of the terrible argument that voter ID requirements are really suppression of democrat votes.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:40 PM   #53
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I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case it's the terrible argument analogue of the terrible argument that voter ID requirements are really suppression of democrat votes.
There is no voter fraud. /Jensen, Cosmo, Aturnis Demmy Dummies
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:12 PM   #55
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FWIW....I suppose us peasants should not complain too loudly.. After all, the gruel this year DID have some occasional "mystery" meat in it...maybe next year, we can regularly expect horse, squirrel, or bunny meat!!!!
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:22 PM   #56
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Do a lot of people here think unions deserve unlimited contributions but corporations don't?

If not, where are all these terrible "democrats just want to limit republican speech" arguments coming from?
No - they should be treated the same and limited as much as possible.
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:28 PM   #57
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No - they should be treated the same and limited as much as possible.
Too late... They did their deed, now let the spending game go on for at least two more election cycles...

Spend away fat cats, there are not limits to your free speech (with your money)... LIKE!
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:27 AM   #58
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JFC just what we need, the elected officials being more beholden to people and corporate interests, when the **** can we get rid of political contributions all together. It is absolutely corrupting the system despite any pretty little bow they try to put on it.


Is this a level? I can't tell if this is serious or trolling.

Asking to get money out of politics is like demanding to get blood out of biology...
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:31 AM   #59
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Anyone notice that the people who complain the loudest about campaign money are the same people who voted for the candidate who pressed the nuclear button on public financing for presidential elections - this after he pledged to stick with it.

"Der - let's get money out of politics -- right after I vote twice for the guy who demolished the public financing system reforms."

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Old 04-03-2014, 07:04 AM   #60
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Rejecting public money in a particular election, 2008, due to circumstances at the time...that would have allowed his opponent to greatly outspend him, seems like a reasonable decision.

On the other hand, blind opposition to any and all forms of public financing of future elections (in order to even the playing field)....is far from reasonable.

Unless of course, one prefers plutocracy to any semblance of a democratic process.
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