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Old 04-02-2014, 09:36 AM  
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The Supreme Court strikes down campaign donation limits

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:58 AM   #61
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:17 AM   #62
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:36 AM   #63
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:54 AM   #64
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I have to disagree with the conservatives here. Money has always been the root evil of politics. At a time when K Street is running Congress we need to be scaling them back, not opening more doors for them.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:06 AM   #65
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Rejecting public money in a particular election, 2008, due to circumstances at the time...that would have allowed his opponent to greatly outspend him, seems like a reasonable decision.

What a bunch of ignorant bullshit. McCain accepted public financing for that election. You're a ****ing government teacher you ignorant asshole. How can you not know this? Obama had absolutely no danger of being outspent in that election.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:08 AM   #66
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I have to disagree with the conservatives here. Money has always been the root evil of politics. At a time when K Street is running Congress we need to be scaling them back, not opening more doors for them.
I am changing in this direction too. However, not soley "for the people" because those words don't reveal the problem of the socialist left who claim to be the people. Rich folks are the people too. There just needs to be some balance. The public funding idea throws the balance to the other end. So if there's an amendment, how it's worded would be key.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:21 AM   #67
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Your assertion that a corporation donating is the same thing as a union donating is ridiculous. ****ing retarded.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:21 AM   #68
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Even though you folks hate Ron Paul, he's right that big campaign money goes hand in hand with big govt.

Why Is There So Much Money in Politics?
This written back in 2002 but still applies.
The so-called reform legislation being proposed is clearly unconstitutional. The First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose. More importantly, the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to regulate campaigns. In fact, article II expressly authorizes the regulation of elections, so the omission of campaigns is glaring. While some in the media have raised First amendment questions, few seem to understand that Congress clearly lacks the constitutional power to regulate campaigns at all.
For these reasons, I don't see the problem ever being resolved because few really want to follow our Constitution...even many people. They want something from govt.

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I agree with him that a big problem exists. Special interest money has a huge influence in Washington, and it has a tremendous effect on both foreign and domestic policy. Yet we ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and interest groups are willing to give politicians millions of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the stakes are so high. They know government controls virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives, and that they must influence government to protect their interests. Our federal government, which was intended to operate as a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when countless special interests fight for the money. The only true solution to the campaign money problem is a return to a proper constitutional government that does not control the economy. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.
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The SC interpreted the constitution correctly and helped uphold its integrity. A whiny little peasant like you crying about it is just gravy on top.

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Your assertion that a corporation donating is the same thing as a union donating is ridiculous. ****ing retarded.
Actually to say one is better or worse than the other is ridiculous
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Your assertion that a corporation donating is the same thing as a union donating is ridiculous. ****ing retarded.
Where did I say that? You can't read can you?
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Why? A corporation speaks for a few board members. Whereas a union speaks for millions of people who pool their money to support their best interest. Each individual giving probably less than $500 per year. How is that the same?
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Where did I say that? You can't read can you?
Who said I was talking to you?
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What a bunch of ignorant bullshit. McCain accepted public financing for that election. You're a ****ing government teacher you ignorant asshole. How can you not know this? Obama had absolutely no danger of being outspent in that election.
What part of 527 groups and unlimited spending by the RNC for attack ads don't you understand, you ignorant and delustional douchebag?

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The SC interpreted the constitution correctly and helped uphold its integrity. A whiny little peasant like you crying about it is just gravy on top.

Yes, great day indeed.
I'm going to cherish the reaction of wingtards like you when the Amendment movement gets rolling...
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Who said I was talking to you?
Well, you posted immediately after my post. So it was a logical inference.
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