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Old 04-02-2014, 09:36 AM  
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:42 AM   #76
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Why? A corporation speaks for a few board members. Whereas a union speaks for millions of people who pool their money to support their best interest. Each individual giving probably less than $500 per year. How is that the same?
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:03 AM   #77
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What part of 527 groups and unlimited spending by the RNC for attack ads don't you understand, you ignorant and delustional douchebag?
Don't play that bullshit you over paid simp. The Democrats have outspent the republicans in the last six elections. This ruling only weakens 527 groups anyway. You are the perfect example of why I send my kids to private school.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:15 AM   #78
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Why? A corporation speaks for a few board members. Whereas a union speaks for millions of people who pool their money to support their best interest. Each individual giving probably less than $500 per year. How is that the same?
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:43 AM   #79
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Why? A corporation speaks for a few board members. Whereas a union speaks for millions of people who pool their money to support their best interest. Each individual giving probably less than $500 per year. How is that the same?
A corporation speaks in its own best interest in perpetuating itself, which then is the best interest of everyone it employs, and possibly everyone who works at one of its suppliers, everyone who works at a company who it then supplies, end consumers who needs its goods or the goods it contributes to, etc etc
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Don't play that bullshit you over paid simp. The Democrats have outspent the republicans in the last six elections. This ruling only weakens 527 groups anyway. You are the perfect example of why I send my kids to private school.
In that election cycle, Dems were trending to get their asses handed to them in spending by 527s and the RNC....UNTIL McCain was shown to be an impotent old geezer, who couldn't be helped by oysters, champagne, or any form or amount of Viagra--let alone the selection of an, as it turned out, even more incompetent running mate.

Then, and only then, did the plutocrats start hedging their bets and covering their asses by sending money to Obama. That dems continue to outspend reps is as much more testament to the GOPs lunatic-fringe public relations problem with Americans...as it is to anything having to do with dems being attractive. It's merely the lesser of two evils for most reasonable folks. Really a sad state of affairs that the main reason for dems "success" is the idiocy and incompetence of the opposition party...

Your children's main issue in life isn't going to be schools--it's going to be having an ignorant tool for a dad.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:56 AM   #81
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A corporation speaks in its own best interest in perpetuating itself, which then is the best interest of everyone it employs, and possibly everyone who works at one of its suppliers, everyone who works at a company who it then supplies, end consumers who needs its goods or the goods it contributes to, etc etc
I guess Wal-Mart, McDonald's etc employees have it all wrong then. You know, if their employers are looking out for them and all. Dumbass.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:58 AM   #82
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, you really believe this shit?
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:05 PM   #83
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What part of 527 groups and unlimited spending by the RNC for attack ads don't you understand, you ignorant and delustional douchebag?



I'm going to cherish the reaction of wingtards like you when the Amendment movement gets rolling...
What part of this ruling has nothing to do with 527 groups do you not understand? This ruling had exactly zero to do with the legal statutes governing 527s, one way or the other. JFC. You've got just enough information to not know a ****ing thing.
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A corporation speaks in its own best interest in perpetuating itself, which then is the best interest of everyone it employs, and possibly everyone who works at one of its suppliers, everyone who works at a company who it then supplies, end consumers who needs its goods or the goods it contributes to, etc etc
And everybody who invests in it.
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What part of this ruling has nothing to do with 527 groups do you not understand? This ruling had exactly zero to do with the legal statutes governing 527s, one way or the other. JFC. You've got just enough information to not know a ****ing thing.
In 2008, 527s and RNC spending was the factor that led the dems to reject public funding....duh. Obama rejecting public money then was predicated upon that fact. It has nothing to do with calls for reform/an amendment now. The two situations are mutually exclusive.

Their decision then has nothing to do with the impact of this ruling moving forward. Try again.
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Campaign finance laws can make it harder for average Americans to influence Washington too. It won't necessarily make politicians more ethical either.
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In 2008, 527s and RNC spending was the factor that led the dems to reject public funding....duh. Obama rejecting public money then was predicated upon that fact. It has nothing to do with calls for reform/an amendment now.

That has nothing to do with the impact of this ruling moving forward. Try again.
Have you read the ruling? Do you know what the statutes are governing contribution limits? Do you know what a 527 is beyond just one of your talking points?

527s are issue advocacy groups.

This ruling dealt strictly with aggregate campaign contribution limits for individual donors to candidates, PACs and parties. Why the **** you think 527s have anything to do with this ruling continues to baffle me. Sit down, have a can of , and figure out WTF you're talking about before opening your yapper.
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Have you read the ruling? Do you know what the statutes are governing contribution limits? Do you know what a 527 is beyond just one of your talking points?

527s are issue advocacy groups.

This ruling dealt strictly with aggregate campaign contribution limits for individual donors to candidates, PACs and parties. Why the **** you think 527s have anything to do with this ruling continues to baffle me. Sit down, have a can of , and figure out WTF you're talking about before opening your yapper.
Please do NOT tell me you are going to try to make the ignorant "issue advocacy is not related to support or opposition to particular candidates in a given election" argument...please, tell me that smarter than that...

You are the one, at the moment who's talking out of your ass....or else you are buying the insane argument that current campaign finance SYSTEM is not broken---when it's very clearly in need of a serious enema, or better yet a public execution.
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I see that Kotter and Aturnis are trying to outdo each other in this thread.
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