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Old 04-02-2014, 08:36 AM  
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The Supreme Court strikes down campaign donation limits

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:49 AM   #91
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You have no clue what you're talking about.
You're right. Unions are honest and forthright and care for nothing other than the welfare of their members.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:50 AM   #92
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Please do NOT tell me you are going to try to make the ignorant "issue advocacy is not related to support or opposition to particular candidates in a given election" argument...please, tell me that smarter than that...

You are the one, at the moment who's talking out of your ass....or else you are buying the insane argument that current campaign finance SYSTEM is not broken---when it's very clearly in need of a serious enema, or better yet a public execution.
You want to talk about the campaign finance system in general then fine. Have at it. But you are assigning motives and issues to this ruling that are not remotely related. Have at a campaign finance reform thread. But you're in here muddying the waters and blaming the ills of campaign finance on this ruling when that just isn't the case. You have not once argued against the ruling in question based on the merits of the case presented. And your concerns, while widespread and argued obnoxiously, have yet to relate to the ruling in McCutcheon.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:52 AM   #93
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You're right. Unions are honest and forthright and care for nothing other than the welfare of their members.
Please, explain what you don't know. Dumbass.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:53 AM   #94
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You want to talk about the campaign finance system in general then fine. Have at it. But you are assigning motives and issues to this ruling that are not remotely related. Have at a campaign finance reform thread. But you're in here muddying the waters and blaming the ills of campaign finance on this ruling when that just isn't the case. You have not once argued against the ruling in question based on the merits of the case presented. And your concerns, while widespread and argued obnoxiously, have yet to relate to the ruling in McCutcheon.
Dude, this ruling is only the latest episode in this sorry and pathetic journey...only the latest insult to democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people, toward an American aristocracy of the uber wealthy, by the uber wealthy, and for the uber wealthy. THAT is what most Americans should really fear and, ultimately, be very angry about.
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Please, explain what you don't know. Dumbass.
Sounds like a trick. There is no corruption in Unions at all. None. They are a model of ethics and morals.
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Sounds like a trick. There is no corruption in Unions at all. None. They are a model of ethics and morals.
That's beside the point isn't it? Does the money allocated for political purposes go to pro union politicians and causes?
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That's beside the point isn't it? Does the money allocated for political purposes go to pro union politicians and causes?
Does corporate money allocated for political purposes go to pro-corporate politicians and causes?
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Dude, this ruling is only the latest episode in this sorry and pathetic journey...only the latest insult to democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people, toward an American aristocracy of the uber wealthy, by the uber wealthy, and for the uber wealthy. THAT is what most Americans should really fear and, ultimately, be very angry about.
Democracy??? . That's killing me! Democracy.
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Democracy??? . That's killing me! Democracy.
Let me guess--you are one of the idiots that refuses to accept, and maintains the moronic view that a "republic" is not a subgroup of democracies? Surprise, surprise...
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Let me guess--you are one of the idiots that refuses to accept, and maintains the moronic view that a "republic" is not a subgroup of democracies? Surprise, surprise...
Don' let me stop you from making a complete and total ass of yourself. If you think there is anything democratic about this country outside of a formality we pretend to go through every few years then you are smoking some big time crack.

In case you haven't paid attention our "subgroups of democracy" are being stampeded by the Fed Gov more and more every day. We are not a democracy, or a democratic republic. We are a plutocratic-monarchy. Only our rulers were smart enough to make sure that the power of the kingdom stays within the King's Cout, i.e. Congress, and not the King himself.
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Don' let me stop you from making a complete and total ass of yourself. If you think there is anything democratic about this country outside of a formality we pretend to go through every few years then you are smoking some big time crack.

In case you haven't paid attention our "subgroups of democracy" are being stampeded by the Fed Gov more and more every day. We are not a democracy, or a democratic republic. We are a plutocratic-monarchy. Only our rulers were smart enough to make sure that the power of the kingdom stays within the King's Cout, i.e. Congress, and not the King himself.





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Laugh all you want, dickhead, not only does it prove you were wrong about my take, it's also closer than this pipe dream you're spewing of sub-democracies and what not. How'd that sub-democracy action work for Arizona and their illegal immigration law? The people voted for it. The Fed Gov had it shot down. WTF is this democracy you are talking about?
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Laugh all you want, dickhead, not only does it prove you were wrong about my take, it's also closer than this pipe dream you're spewing of sub-democracies and what not. How'd that sub-democracy action work for Arizona and their illegal immigration law? The people voted for it. The Fed Gov had it shot down. WTF is this democracy you are talking about?
You didn't get to the "supremacy clause" discussion in Government 101, eh? It really is in the constitution--you do know what that is, right?

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You didn't get to the "supremacy clause" discussion in Government 101, eh? It really is in the constitution--you do know what that is, right?

You're the one spewing thus sub democracy crap.
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Again, corporations aren't people, why should they get to speak FOR and against their thousands of employees?

Like I said, a union speaks on BEHALF of its members.
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