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Old 04-02-2014, 09:36 AM  
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The Supreme Court strikes down campaign donation limits

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.

The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.

But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.

Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.

The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise 'the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.

Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.

Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.

But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.

Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5-4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.

Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.

Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.

Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.

McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.

Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.

The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.

The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.

If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:36 PM   #106
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Again, corporations aren't people, why should they get to speak FOR and against their thousands of employees?

Like I said, a union speaks on BEHALF of its members.
Actually I believe in the view of the Courts, corporations are people. For that matter, Unions in and of themselves are not "people". And what you don't seem to get is a corporation speaks on BEHALF of it's SHAREHOLDERS you ****ing twit, not it's employees.

There is no difference between the two and the sooner you pull your head from your ass and come to grips with that the better off you will be.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:38 PM   #107
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**** the shareholders you nitwit. They are opposing millions and leaving off of the government for everything they have. Scum.

If corporations are people, why don't they, or anyone associated with them go to prison.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:44 PM   #108
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**** the shareholders you nitwit. They are opposing millions and leaving off of the government for everything they have. Scum.

If corporations are people, why don't they, or anyone associated with them go to prison.
Just because you don't like the shareholders doesn't negate the point. It's obvious your personal bias is your issue and that's your problem. Fact is, whether you wish to accept it or not, Unions and Corporations are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are big money for politicians, both corrupt the political process and both can give a **** about anyone but those in charge of both.

And people do go to jail quite often. They even have a term for it, "white collar crime".

So at least we have established that your basis in thinking Unions are better than Corporations is because you just don't like corporations. Nevermind it's corporations that tend to employ Unions.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:54 PM   #109
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Dude, this ruling is only the latest episode in this sorry and pathetic journey...only the latest insult to democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people, toward an American aristocracy of the uber wealthy, by the uber wealthy, and for the uber wealthy. THAT is what most Americans should really fear, and ultimately be very angry about.
Nowhere in your ranting screeds have you said anything about the ruling that indicates you have even the slightest clue of what the **** you're upset about. You're just puking up incoherent rants. I'm sure there's a Citizens United thread on this board somewhere. Go find it and rant on about 527s and the ills they cause.

Apparently people talking about issues is of grave concern to you. You are completely free to form your own 527 and ask money of the millions and millions of Rock's fans to put your own ideas and philosophies out there for public discourse. But you won't do that.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:04 PM   #110
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Just because you don't like the shareholders doesn't negate the point. It's obvious your personal bias is your issue and that's your problem. Fact is, whether you wish to accept it or not, Unions and Corporations are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are big money for politicians, both corrupt the political process and both can give a **** about anyone but those in charge of both.

And people do go to jail quite often. They even have a term for it, "white collar crime".

So at least we have established that your basis in thinking Unions are better than Corporations is because you just don't like corporations. Nevermind it's corporations that tend to employ Unions.
So who's going to prison at GM? 12 dead or 13?
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:29 PM   #111
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So who's going to prison at GM? 12 dead or 13?
That's an excellent question.

It sure makes that bail out look like a dumb move too. Kinda, shoulda let them go tits up.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:53 PM   #112
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That's an excellent question.

It sure makes that bail out look like a dumb move too. Kinda, shoulda let them go tits up.
That was my opinion. But we had to bail out the Unions so they could put together fault vehicles.
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How about wall street? Or Monsanto? Or McDonald's? Or Wal-Mart? When will any of these criminals face prison time? When they do, then we can talk about them being people.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:16 PM   #114
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I have to disagree with the conservatives here. Money has always been the root evil of politics. At a time when K Street is running Congress we need to be scaling them back, not opening more doors for them.
Let's revisit it in about 7-8 years... I think we need to think about it for a while...
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, you really believe this shit?
Considering union members can vote on where the money goes and can voluntary ask their individual dues to not go to political purposes, what he said was true.
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Perhaps green companies like Calera can put their money behind the people who think are best. Unlimited. Seems fair!

Heck, since they get their money from Obama, it could be like the Obama hooking the next liberal with tax dollars!
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How about wall street? Or Monsanto? Or McDonald's? Or Wal-Mart? When will any of these criminals face prison time? When they do, then we can talk about them being people.
"No soul to save and no body to incarcerate."
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Perhaps green companies like Calera can put their money behind the people who think are best. Unlimited. Seems fair!

Heck, since they get their money from Obama, it could be like the Obama hooking the next liberal with tax dollars!
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Considering union members can vote on where the money goes and can voluntary ask their individual dues to not go to political purposes, what he said was true.
, yeah right......it's amazing how nave some can be
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How about wall street? Or Monsanto? Or McDonald's? Or Wal-Mart? When will any of these criminals face prison time? When they do, then we can talk about them being people.
Dude you are funny if anything. You still don't seem to get it, obviously.
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