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Old 04-02-2014, 06:13 PM  
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The North Carolina State Board of Elections has found thousands of instances of voter fraud in the state, thanks to a 28-state crosscheck of voter rolls. Initial findings suggest widespread election fraud.

765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.
35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.
155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C.
The second point is key, as double voting is election fraud under state and federal statutes. Punishment for double voting in federal elections can include jail time.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/04/02...2012-election/
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:22 PM   #2
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If you assume these numbers were the same in 2008 (a pretty safe assumption) and that most of these people voted Democrat ( a VERY safe assumption) then Obama would have lost NC in 2008. He only won by 14k votes in 2008.

Anyone who doesn't think this is a very real issue is blind.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:28 PM   #3
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Oh.. and people seem to disregard the fact that Al Franken was never legally elected... without him there is little chance Obamacare would have been foisted upon us.

(Franken had over 1000 felons voting for him in an election he won by 312 votes)
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:49 PM   #4
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You REALLY think the majority of these people voted democrat? The people with no money travel state to state to vote? Man you watch too much Fox news.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:53 PM   #5
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You REALLY think the majority of these people voted democrat? The people with no money travel state to state to vote? Man you watch too much Fox news.
You've never struck me as this dumb. I'm going to assume you're trolling.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:53 PM   #6
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Oh.. and people seem to disregard the fact that Al Franken was never legally elected... without him there is little chance Obamacare would have been foisted upon us.

(Franken had over 1000 felons voting for him in an election he won by 312 votes)
And Coleman had zero?
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:54 PM   #7
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Oh.. and people seem to disregard the fact that Al Franken was never legally elected... without him there is little chance Obamacare would have been foisted upon us.

(Franken had over 1000 felons voting for him in an election he won by 312 votes)
Or that Republican from Maine names Olympia.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:56 PM   #8
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So one state finds 35,000 cases of this. I'm sure you'd all be glad to know this didn't happen anywhere else.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:57 PM   #9
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And Coleman had zero?
Felons overwhelmingly vote democrat. Interviews with 10 of the felons in this case found 9 voted for Franken.

So let's be nice and assume it was 80%... that's a 600 vote margin.

Let's be completely unrealistic and go with 70% and you still have a 400 vote margin.

You're delusional if you think Franken won the election fairly.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:00 PM   #10
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You REALLY think the majority of these people voted democrat? The people with no money travel state to state to vote? Man you watch too much Fox news.
In cases of felons voting it has overwhelmingly been democrat... same for dead people...

And why do you think Dems have no money?

Voter fraud is a very real problem regardless of the party it benefits. It just happens to mostly benefit Dems right now but that situation could change and I'd still be disgusted by it.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:01 PM   #11
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You've never struck me as this dumb. I'm going to assume you're trolling.
How exactly would voter IDs stop this type of fraud then?
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:02 PM   #12
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How exactly would voter IDs stop this type of fraud then?
In most cases it doesn't. Which is why I want a comprehensive overhaul of the whole damn system. Voting in America is broken... badly.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:09 PM   #13
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In most cases it doesn't. Which is why I want a comprehensive overhaul of the whole damn system. Voting in America is broken... badly.
I don't disagree that the system needs an update. Problem is I don't think it's something you can fix.

How do you suggest fixing it?
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:16 PM   #14
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I don't disagree that the system needs an update. Problem is I don't think it's something you can fix.

How do you suggest fixing it?
The main problem with all of this is that the easiest and most foolproof solution is a national biometric id database shared among the states. That is of course a very scary thought for many reasons. BUT there are ways it can be done without compromising privacy or freedom. Unfortunately the US Govt is unlikely to be able to pull it off without major abuse.

The key would be to encrypt the data and make it illegal for storage/use of the data BY ANYONE (not any govt entity or corporation) beyond what is necessary for ID verification which would include where you are legally allowed to vote and whether you have voted already.

Technically and logistically this is actually pretty easy to implement. It would of course have a long (decades) opt-in period before it became mandatory (if you plan to vote, if you don't vote you can stay out) The problem would be in the LAW. I'd almost want a Constitutional Amendment governing how it could be used to avoid abuse.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:16 PM   #15
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New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed

A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

In an exhaustive public records search, reporters from the investigative reporting projecdt News21 sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.


Click to search the national database of voter fraud cases compiled by News21.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

“Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul, Minn.

“There is absolutely no evidence," Schultz said, that voter impersonation fraud "has affected the outcome of any election in the United States, at least any recent election in the United States."
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