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Old 04-02-2014, 09:05 PM  
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Dumb idea of the day: Let Alex Smith play out his contract

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/4...t-his-contract

A year ago I suggested that Alex Smith should be extended because the price would never be lower. Obviously 99% of the forum was against me, but the deal I suggested would be a bargain today.

Now paid writers are literally suggesting to let Alex play it out when there is no chance that the Chiefs could match free agent offers for him. Their defense is that he could get hurt. Wow, and if he gets hurt, who plays QB? Chiefs are screwed either way

Best case scenario if we don't extend Alex soon is the franchise tag and that means massively overpaying for another key position
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:51 AM   #76
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I did the math again. Got the same numbers.
Projections don't work that way. I'm sure you know that.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:54 AM   #77
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Not at 20 mill a year for a average starting QB. No thanks
Who's he comparable to? Rivers? Cutler? Stafford? Romo? Flacco? Ryan? Cassel?

Would you take way less than the market would pay for your job? I wouldn't...

Paying a QB is what you have to do, and what they get paid is a crazy amount of money. Hell, Kaperkick stinks and he wants $18,000,000 per.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:56 AM   #78
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Who's he comparable to? Rivers? Cutler? Stafford? Romo? Flacco? Ryan? Cassel?

Would you take way less than the market would pay for your job? I wouldn't...

Paying a QB is what you have to do, and what they get paid is a crazy amount of money. Hell, Kaperkick stinks and he wants $18,000,000 per.
If Kap gets $18M per, his chances at a ring go down almost to zero.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:57 AM   #79
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alex walks and resigns with the 49ers.
No he doesn't. He wouldn't go back to SF. He would surely go elsewhere, but not back to the Niners.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:59 AM   #80
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Projections don't work that way. I'm sure you know that.
Understand what you are saying.

At the same time, Smith and his offensive cohorts were getting to know each other last season, and over the last 7 games of the season he was performing at that rate... with basically the same cast he will have next season.

Can he sustain that? That is the multi-million dollar question.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:09 AM   #81
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Understand what you are saying.

At the same time, Smith and his offensive cohorts were getting to know each other last season, and over the last 7 games of the season he was performing at that rate... with basically the same cast he will have next season.

Can he sustain that? That is the multi-million dollar question.
I don't think Alex will ever put up those kinds of numbers over an entire season in Reid's offense. However, he's much more than a game manager, which is what most people on this board were calling him when we got him.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:12 AM   #82
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Understand what you are saying.

At the same time, Smith and his offensive cohorts were getting to know each other last season, and over the last 7 games of the season he was performing at that rate... with basically the same cast he will have next season.

Can he sustain that? That is the multi-million dollar question.
Chances are, Alex isn't the guy we saw in the first 10 games any more than he's the same guy we saw in the final 7.

Most likely he's a 3500/30/10 guy, which is pretty damn good.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:27 AM   #83
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Alex showed me everything I need to see. 5-6 year deal. But if they don't build that Oline he'll be wasted.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:29 AM   #84
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Who's he comparable to? Rivers? Cutler? Stafford? Romo? Flacco? Ryan? Cassel?

Would you take way less than the market would pay for your job? I wouldn't...

Paying a QB is what you have to do, and what they get paid is a crazy amount of money. Hell, Kaperkick stinks and he wants $18,000,000 per.
c'mon... Kaepernick Stinks? I don't think he's worth 18m yet as he is still more potential than he is player, but the potential is pretty damn high and he is no where even close to "stinks". And that's from someone who has an admitted man-crush on smith.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:39 AM   #85
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I can't remember which rumor from which poster said this, but in the negotiations apparently Alex doesn't want a Cutler or a Kaepernick-level of contract. He wants to be paid and paid well, but he doesn't want to push the team into a position where they suffer to acquire other players.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he signs a reasonable extension where the guaranteed money is under $30 million. Something like 5 years $65 million with $25 million guaranteed.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:40 AM   #86
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I can't remember which rumor from which poster said this, but in the negotiations apparently Alex doesn't want a Cutler or a Kaepernick-level of contract. He wants to be paid and paid well, but he doesn't want to push the team into a position where they suffer to acquire other players.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he signs a reasonable extension where the guaranteed money is under $30 million. Something like 5 years $65 million with $25 million guaranteed.
That's what I expect from Alex Smith and it's what everyone SHOULD expect.

It's the biggest reason you go out and get a guy like him.

Good enough to win, not good enough to destroy your cap.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:42 AM   #87
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$13 mil per year? I'd sign that ****ing contract yesterday.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:45 AM   #88
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I'd rather cut him or trade him personally.
This would be really stupid to do. Especially after the investment in getting him here.
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Not at 20 mill a year for a average starting QB. No thanks
Alex is not average. $20 mil a year average is the going rate for a teams franchise QB anymore.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:49 AM   #89
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$13 mil per year? I'd sign that ****ing contract yesterday.
Yeah I am sure that most fans would.
I still think his contract will be closer to 6 yrs. 100 mil with 25 mil guaranteed.
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Chances are, Alex isn't the guy we saw in the first 10 games any more than he's the same guy we saw in the final 7.

Most likely he's a 3500/30/10 guy, which is pretty damn good.
First half of the season last year, they were getting to know each other as teammates, getting to know the coaches, getting to know the playbook and were playing cautious football because their defense and the quality of the opposing teams offense was allowing them to. I don't know how much of anything we can glean from that.

Second half of the season the players were more comfortable with each other, they knew they were going to have to put up bigger numbers against the teams with higher powered offenses so Reid took the reins off - and the offense performed really well. However, while we certainly were up against higher powered offenses, our offense was playing against arguably weaker defenses than the first half of the season. Tough to predict how much we can take from that either.

Next year we will be playing a number of teams that are balanced with good offenses and good defenses.

Bad news: All the "team-building" done on the O line last year is out the window with over half of the positions being played by new players this year. We are starting over from square one when it comes to a unit that is used to playing together and building that trust. This alone could be disastrous as everything the offense is able to do hinges on the line.

We so far have not added a legitimate #2 WR to go with our current #2 (quality) WR in Bowe.

Good news: Second year with the same OC coordinator and offensive scheme for Smith (only the 2nd time in his career for that). Second year in the same system for the offense. Second year as an NFL player for Fisher and our other 2013 draftees that figure to see more playing time this year. Kelce will be healthy and may provide a spark and an additional playmaker we didn't have last year. And lastly, the draft hasn't occurred and while we are down a 2nd, the draft is deep and figures to have impact players in later rounds, we may find a WR in there that can add to our arsenal. Stranger things have happened.
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