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Old 04-03-2014, 05:00 AM  
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Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and heís sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packersí moves in free agency this year indicate that theyíre already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesnít public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he wonít count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didnít sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year theyíre getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didnít have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, itís easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. Itís surprising more teams havenít copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:58 AM   #31
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JFC htismage. Please tell the class in exact detail who Dorsey should have pulled in to QB this team. I guarantee you they aren't as good as Alex Smith was last year.

Alex Smith>2013 2nd rd pick
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:00 AM   #32
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It just seems ironic that the talk around here is always "give up anything for a franchise qb", now they did and it was one the HC everyone loved hiring because he's the "qb" whisperer really wanted, and people are pissed at the compensation.
You're completely not understanding the argument.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:00 AM   #33
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JFC htismage. Please tell the class in exact detail who Dorsey should have pulled in to QB this team. I guarantee you they aren't as good as Alex Smith was last year.

Alex Smith>2013 2nd rd pick
You don't understand the argument either.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:02 AM   #34
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You don't understand the argument either.
I understand it perfectly. You're crying bc we got rid of draft picks instead of using them bc Dorsey said he drafts to win.

Now since you don't like him trading that pick, I'd like to hear what QB he should have brought in without using that draft pick.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:03 AM   #35
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As Obi-wan said, it's really all about your point of view. I think it would be pretty simple to adjust that so-called logic - let's call it rationalize - and look at that move as their way of acquiring a long term solution at quarterback. He's their franchise quarterback, for all intents and purposes, and the only real difference from a rookie is that they skipped the 3 or 4 (or more) years of ups and downs that it takes them to develop.

So in one sense it is an immediate move, but on the other hand it's also still perhaps a long term investment made with those picks...

What it's not is Joe Montana on his last legs for a year or two. And while I've often said I'd gone with a guy like Jason Campbell, let's face it, that would've been a short term move, too. Whereas I think it's safe to say that Alex Smith may well be here as long as, if not longer than, most of the players drafted last year, including anyone they might have taken in the second.

I'm not saying I agree with it or like it or even that I look at it that way. I don't. What I am saying is that our brand of simple logic isn't necessarily the only one out there, and sometimes it can be beneficial to consider different angles, or recognize that our own may be skewed or biased.

At least, I know mine is, when it comes to most of the things this damned franchise does.
If Alex Smith gets a +$100M contract or worse, plays the 2014 season without an extension, it's all out the window.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:03 AM   #36
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I think it's more about being upset because the chiefs haven't done exactly what people want. It happens every year, usually more with the draft. "I want (insert player name) but they didn't do that so I deem this (draft/free agency period/off-season) a complete failure."

I do it, too. I thought (and still think) Andy Reid was the wrong hire. I've been pretty vocal about that. They identified what they believed was the best available short and long term option at quarterback, which is something I should agree with philosophically, but I didn't like Alex Smith, so I wasn't happy there either. I was never really a dick about it but I wanted them to give Geno Smith a look. Which I believe they never did - not for a second. And if not him, then I would have gone Austin or Patterson. Fisher was a move I will never, ever like, short of the guy making the Hall.

Is that fair? Probably not, but that's the way it is. That's the way fans are. We aren't rational no matter how much we try to cloak our arguments in logic and stats. We believe that we know how things should be done, better than anyone else, be it owners or gms or other fans, and that's every bit as true for those of us who think the chiefs should never be questioned and everybody who does is an idiot as is it for the ones who thinks they're incompetent clowns and anybody who approves is a homer.

At the end of the day this is mostly emotion and we're mostly throwing tantrums because we didn't get the toys we want, or we're bitching out people who disagree with us, or we're slapping people on the back and hailing them as geniuses if they say something we actually like.

Pretty simple really. It's the internet and that's how things are done.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:04 AM   #37
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I understand it perfectly. You're crying bc we got rid of draft picks instead of using them bc Dorsey said he drafts to win.

Now since you don't like him trading that pick, I'd like to hear what QB he should have brought in without using that draft pick.


I'm not crying at all. There's absolutely zero emotion in this for me. So every time you bring it up I laugh at how stupid it is.

And it's NOT ABOUT WHAT QB they should have brought in.

It's about what they should be doing to help make Alex Smith a successful QB.

You don't understand the argument at all, and it's obvious.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:04 AM   #38
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You don't understand the argument either.
What were the big "win now" moves they made last year?
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:04 AM   #39
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I agree with a great bit of this, but for me it has NOTHING to do with what I wanted.

It has everything to do with the apparent contradictions in their moves.

People can ignore it all they want but trading two picks for a QB and then saying "we're building through the draft" don't comfortably co-exist.

That's just simple logic.
I get what you saying but you have to look at it from Clark's pov. After 2012, the stadium was nearly empty, the few fans that showed up were in black and fans were flying banners. While some of us would have preferred a rookie QB and a young, up and coming coach, that wasn't going to fly with the average fan out there.

Instead, Clark went with a big name coach who made moves to shore up the roster any way possible. It worked too - they won 9 in a row and filled up Arrowhead. Fans (the average fan) were excited again.

It is what it is. It may be that now that fans are back in Arrowhead that the strategy changes on how to build the team from here on out, which is why there is an apparent change in emphasis from FA/trades to the draft.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:07 AM   #40
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I get what you saying but you have to look at it from Clark's pov. After 2012, the stadium was nearly empty, the few fans that showed up were in black and fans were flying banners. While some of us would have preferred a rookie QB and a young, up and coming coach, that wasn't going to fly with the average fan out there.

Instead, Clark went with a big name coach who made moves to shore up the roster any way possible. It worked too - they won 9 in a row and filled up Arrowhead. Fans (the average fan) were excited again.

It is what it is. It may be that now that fans are back in Arrowhead that the strategy changes on how to build the team from here on out, which is why there is an apparent change in emphasis from FA/trades to the draft.
So they weren't following the Ted Thompson approach then.

People are talking out of both sides of their mouth.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:07 AM   #41
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I've started seeing this as your, I have no response answer. It make life easier that way.
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What were the big "win now" moves they made last year?
Alex Smith.

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I've started seeing this as your, I have no response answer. It make life easier that way.
How many times do I have to type the obvious before I give up?

Some of you are too stubborn and/or stupid to acknowledge reality, so why would I continue to waste my time?
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You're completely not understanding the argument.
I understand your argument, but it's not as big a deal as your making it. It was one move, and they're missing one pick today. Sometimes you have to deviate from your plan to satisfy your overall goal.
Bottom line: The Chiefs picked the wrong year to completely suck ass.

This franchise is snake bit.
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I understand your argument, but it's not as big a deal as your making it. It was one move, and they're missing one pick today. Sometimes you have to deviate from your plan to satisfy your overall goal.
Bottom line: The Chiefs picked the wrong year to completely suck ass.

This franchise is snake bit.
Somebody gets it.
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