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Old 04-03-2014, 05:00 AM  
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Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and heís sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packersí moves in free agency this year indicate that theyíre already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesnít public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he wonít count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didnít sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year theyíre getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didnít have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, itís easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. Itís surprising more teams havenít copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:54 AM   #106
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I'm officially done fighting with Messier and Marcellus.

While we may never agree, at least they're honorable. At least it's all above board and honest.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:00 AM   #107
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I can love the sports car and absolutely hate the $100k price tag. That's my ****ing right. I can like Alex Smith and hate the fact that they gave two 2nd round picks. Once again...IT'S MY ****ING RIGHT.
Fine...it's your right to feel how you feel. That wasn't my point. There's a price of doing business and if your team is going to have a better than average QB, it's going to take a premium to acquire that guy.

Personally, I don't think two 2nds is too high for a QB of Alex's ability.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:04 AM   #108
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Fine...it's your right to feel how you feel. That wasn't my point. There's a price of doing business and if your team is going to have a better than average QB, it's going to take a premium to acquire that guy.

Personally, I don't think two 2nds is too high for a QB of Alex's ability.
That's fine....but other people do. They have a right to state their opinion just like people who love the trade do. It's not "talking out of both sides of their mouth".....it's stating their opinion and bitching about them only makes you look like an idiot.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:07 AM   #109
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That's fine....but other people do. They have a right to state their opinion just like people who love the trade do. It's not "talking out of both sides of their mouth".....it's stating their opinion and bitching about them only makes you look like an idiot.
We'll agree to disagree on that point.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:09 AM   #110
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We'll agree to disagree on that point.
So you're not going to be a man and prove that I was talking out of both sides of my mouth?

Gonna bow out before anybody realizes that you got ****ing owned?
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:12 AM   #111
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You think wrong.

I'm mad because he says he's building through the draft while trading away draft picks.

If you don't see those two things as contradictory, you're just being stubborn because they absolutely are.
HT, I'll agree with you if next year he goes back to throwing money all over the place in FA and then the year after that, "builds through the draft" again. This is the second offseason he has been with the Chiefs. Last year was about doing what needed to be done just to turn a capsized ship over and bail out the water. Now that that ship is floating again he is going to start building his "crew" through the draft and cheap FA's the way that he likes to develop his team.

The first year was an anomaly - he said it was going to be at the time and has said it was several times since then. I think he deserves a bit more than 2 off seasons before we can say that he isn't consistent - 3 at the very least.
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So you're not going to be a man and prove that I was talking out of both sides of my mouth?

Gonna bow out before anybody realizes that you got ****ing owned?
What a child you are...seriously.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:16 AM   #113
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What a child you are...seriously.
I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:17 AM   #114
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Might as well let everyone know that you immediately started posting in this thread after I mentioned the negative rep.

Gotta save face after acting like a ****ing weasel, right?
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We'll agree to disagree on that point.
There's nothing to agree to disagree on. People have a right to their opinions. We're on a ****ing message board for ****s sake. You have a right to like both aspects....just as htismaqe has a right to like the player but hate what we gave up. He's not "talking out of both sides of his mouth" like you stated. You just look like an idiot for getting pissed at his opinion.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:22 AM   #116
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There's nothing to agree to disagree on. People have a right to their opinions. We're on a ****ing message board for ****s sake. You have a right to like both aspects....just as htismaqe has a right to like the player but hate what we gave up. He's not "talking out of both sides of his mouth" like you stated. You just look like an idiot for getting pissed at his opinion.
I don't even "hate" what they gave up for him.

I think it's EXTREMELY disingenuous to try and sell people on the "What would Ted Thompson do" angle when Ted Thompson never traded 2 high draft picks for his QB.

I'm not the one talking out of both sides of my mouth. I'm not the one saying they HAD to trade for Alex Smith (for any number of reason last year) but that the long-term approach is to build through the draft.

This is not, and never has been since the day the season ended, about what I wanted. I wanted Geno Smith. I was wrong. I didn't want Alex Smith. I again, was wrong.

This isn't about being mad or being unhappy about what the Chiefs are (or aren't) doing. This isn't about them following (or not following) the blueprint that I want the team to take.

This is about the CLEAR and OBVIOUS differences between what the Chiefs did last year and what they're doing this year. People that explain them away as somehow complimentary are simply choosing to ignore reality.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:23 AM   #117
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I just don't see them drafting a WR, as much as I wish that was what they would do. Everything screams 'lineman' to me, on one side of the ball or the other.
Could be. We do know they see WR as a need, based on the attempt at Sanders. I think it's very possible when that didn't work out, they'll look to the draft.
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Could be. We do know they see WR as a need, based on the attempt at Sanders. I think it's very possible when that didn't work out, they'll look to the draft.
Here's the real kicker.

Philly struggled to acquire WRs almost the entire time Reid was there, up until after their SB loss.

Dorsey was part of a front office that seemingly never had any trouble finding WRs.

I wonder how that dichotomy plays out?
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:31 AM   #119
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Here's the real kicker.

Philly struggled to acquire WRs almost the entire time Reid was there, up until after their SB loss.

Dorsey was part of a front office that seemingly never had any trouble finding WRs.

I wonder how that dichotomy plays out?
And they both struggled at the OL position.
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And they both struggled at the OL position.
Both of them have good track records with QBs, though, and that's the most important piece, IMO.
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