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Old 04-05-2014, 03:12 PM  
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Seems you cant look at Yahoo these days without seeing atleast one story about KISS... stuff about the Rock HOF, links to a huge Rolling Stone article etc.

It got my juices flowing for all things KISS, spent a good bit of last night watching concerts and clips, it all reminded just how freakin cool these guys were... they are directly responsible for my love of rock n roll and I'm far from alone, everyone from Garth Brooks to Pearl Jam (Mike McCreadys solo on Alive is aped from Ace Frehleys solo on She) consider them huge influences.

Its a disgrace that it took them this long to get into the Hall... they've sold more albums than The Who, Van Halen and The Doors, among many others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._music_artists

So this thread is for all of you aging KISS ARMY fanatics out there, post up your favorite song, cover by a modern rock act or complete concert, interviews or whatever.
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Old 04-06-2014, 06:59 PM   #31
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:07 PM   #32
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
I believe the band you are looking for is Led Zeppelin. KISS was just a hard rock band with Arthur Brown's theatrics.

Really, metal didn't become mainstream until the NWOBHM hit the states.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:09 PM   #33
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Kids saw the makeup and explosions and said, "I want to be a rock star." If that's the kind of influence you and scot are talking about, then fine. But as far as an influence on MUSIC? No. Did those kids grow up and think, I want to make MUSIC like KISS? I don't think so.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:16 PM   #34
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
It's a little bigger than that - KISS was part of a small group of Detroit bands that preceded American metal. The MC5, the , and Alice Cooper all deserve mention as well. The Detroit connection is important because more went into metal than just music. There was a mindset in the Motor City that couldn't be found in New York or Hollywood (look what Hollywood produced on the late 70s and 80s).

On the other side of the Atlantic, Birmingham was the sister city. Starkly industrial, the guys in Black Sabbath and Priest both said the constant pounding of the factories ingrained something in them subconsciously that ultimately came out in their music.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:38 PM   #35
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:01 PM   #36
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Man, Peter Criss was SUCH an underrated vocalist.
His voice was my favorite of the four. That's a great video, too. I was going post it in here but you beat me to it.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:23 PM   #38
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KISS was the definitive predecessor for heavy metal. Yes, there were others: Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, The New York Dolls, Black Sabbath, etc.,. But KISS made it mainstream, sellable, and popular. One of my favorite bands, I've seen them many times.

And I never get why people argue over music. Music is like food: there's a lot of different varieties but, from filet mignon to Doritos, it all has a role. I love The Who, The Doors, AC/DC, Led Zep, The Beatles, Styx, Garth Brooks, ELO, Kate Bush, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rush, Aerosmith, ABBA, Vivaldi, Celtic Thunder, Metallica, Tori Amos, Wings, Front 242 , Fort Minor, Helloween, John Williams... They all have different roles and different places.
What?
And did you really mean to say THE definitive predecessor?
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It's a little bigger than that - KISS was part of a small group of Detroit bands that preceded American metal. The MC5, the , and Alice Cooper all deserve mention as well. The Detroit connection is important because more went into metal than just music. There was a mindset in the Motor City that couldn't be found in New York or Hollywood (look what Hollywood produced on the late 70s and 80s).

On the other side of the Atlantic, Birmingham was the sister city. Starkly industrial, the guys in Black Sabbath and Priest both said the constant pounding of the factories ingrained something in them subconsciously that ultimately came out in their music.
I think you may be a little confused.
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I think you may be a little confused.
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I'm talking about mentioning KISS in the same sentence as Van Halen, AC/DC and the Rolling Stones. I don't hate KISS, but c'mon...
KISS's main influence is in the field of theatrics--the make up, the explosions, Gene breathing fire, etc.
Again, you're selling them short, Nikki Sixx says their songwriting was a huge influence and the drummer from prog rock (read;highbrow) band Dream Theater says "they were the Beatles of our generation"...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...s-still-scoff/

They were big musical influence on Rivers Cuomo from Weezer...

http://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=KISS

I've already mentioned how Mike McCready from Pearl Jam is a huge fan and admittedly ripped off Ace Frehley for his solo on "Alive"

They also had crossover appeal with Garth Brooks covering "Hard Luck Woman" at his shows all of the time and even performed it live with KISS.

Scott Ian of Anthrax, for one, says they're just as important as Aerosmith and Led Zeppelin...

http://radio.com/2013/03/19/anthraxs...b-pretty-lame/

And finally, what about this lineup for a cover album, Lenny Kravitz with Stevie Wonder, Maynard James Keenan, Tom Morello, The Mighty Bosstones, Lemonhead, Dinosaur Jr... if their music was worthless pap would these artists have bothered?

When people say "yeah they just influenced stage shows and image"... it just doesn't ring true, of the dozens of rockers I've seen praise KISS, not one of them said "yeah, it was just they hype I bought into, not the music.
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Again, you're selling them short, Nikki Sixx says their songwriting was a huge influence and the drummer from prog rock (read;highbrow) band Dream Theater says "they were the Beatles of our generation"...
Geez...c'mon...

I don't think appearing on a cover album is much evidence of anything, and certainly someone playing a cover of one of your songs doesn't make you Aerosmith, Led Zep, or JFC...the Beatles.

Also, I never said their music is "worthless pap."

I'm sure they were a big influence on Nikki Sixx, but keep in mind that guy has done enough drugs to kill a horse. Motley Crue even used heavy makeup in their early years, and you can definitely see the influence in MC's concerts.
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I believe the band you are looking for is Led Zeppelin. KISS was just a hard rock band with Arthur Brown's theatrics.
And Zep was just a blues band with electric instruments. You can spin things many ways. I'm not saying KISS was "Mozart meets Beethoven" but they have their place in history.
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