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Rancher: armed feds are surrounding my farm

A two-decades-old battle between a Nevada rancher and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has resulted in officials armed with machine guns surrounding the ranch and forcibly removing the owner’s cattle, according to the rancher’s family.

Cliven Bundy, the last rancher in Clark County, Nev., has been fighting a “one-man range war” since 1993, when he decided to take a stand against the agency, refusing to pay fees for the right to graze on a ranch run by his family for centuries.

After years of court battles, the BLM secured a federal court order to have Bundy’s “trespass cattle” forcibly removed with heavy artillery, the family said.

“The battle’s been going on for 20 years,” Bundy told theWashington Free Beacon. “What’s happened the last two weeks, the United States government, the bureaus are getting this army together and they’re going to get their job done and they’re going to prove two things. They’re going to prove they can do it, and they’re gonna prove that they have unlimited power, and that they control the policing power over this public land. That’s what they’re trying to prove.”

Bundy said the government has brought everything but tanks and rocket launchers.

“They’re carrying the same things a soldier would,” he said. “Automatic weapons, sniper rifles, top communication, top surveillance equipment, lots of vehicles. It’s heavy soldier type equipment.”

His wife, Carol Bundy, said that roughly 200 armed agents from the BLM and FBI are stationed around their land, located about 75 miles outside of Las Vegas. Helicopters circle the premises, and the airspace and nearby roads remain blocked.

“We’re surrounded,” Carol Bundy said. “We’re estimating that there are over 200 armed BLM, FBI. We’ve got surveillance cameras at our house, they’re probably listening to me talk to you right now.”

A National Park Service spokesman denied there were armed guards rounding up the cattle in a conference call on Tuesday. However, she confirmed that there was “security” in place, citing threats to the contractors who are removing the cattle.

“Contractors are here and they are in place to round-up the cattle and to bring them to the impound area,” Christie Vanover said. “As for security, there [is] security in place, but that is merely to protect the contractors.”

“As you know, we have received threats and the contractors have received threats,” Vanover said. “Our personnel here and throughout the park service and throughout the BLM have received threats, as well. So security is in place to merely protect the contractors so that we can complete this operation.”

As of Monday, officials have seized 234 of Bundy’s 908 cattle. Impounding the cattle alone could cost the government as much as $3 million.

“They just brought a load down today,” she said. “They kind of harass us as well. When we leave they follow us.”

This afternoon eight helicopters surrounded the family after they began taking pictures, according to Bundy’s daughter, Bailey. Their son, Dave Bundy, was arrested for taking pictures on state road 170, which has been closed, and is being held by BLM.

The BLM said they took Dave Bundy into custody following his “failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”

Carol Bundy said five officials took Dave and “threw him on the ground.”

“One put his knee on his head, the other put his boot on his head and pushed him into the gravel,” she said. “He’s got quite a bruised head. Just bruised him up pretty good.”

Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise.”

“We’re heartened and thankful that the agencies are finally living up to their stewardship duty,” said Rob Mrowka, a Nevada-based senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. “The Gold Butte area has been officially designated as critical habitat for threatened tortoises—meaning the area is essential to their long-term survival as a species.”

“[Cliven] Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch,” added Terri Robertson, president of Friends of Sloan Canyon.

The BLM designated 186,909 acres of the Gold Butte off-limits for the “critical desert tortoise” population in 1998. Bundy had already lost his grazing permit five years earlier for refusing to pay fees for the land, which his family has ranched since the 1870s.

The “federal grazing fee” is $1.35 per “Animal Unit Month,” or the amount of forage needed per animal, each month. Bundy said he owes roughly $300,000 in back fees, while the BLM asserts he owes over $1 million. The BLM defended the removal because Bundy did not “voluntarily” give up his cattle.

“We’ve tried to do this through the legal and we’ve tried to do it through the political, and what we’re at right now, I guess we’re going to have to try to stand,” Cliven Bundy said. “We the people have to stand on the ground and get our state sovereignty back, and also take some liberty and freedoms back to where we have at least access to this land.”

“The story is a lot about the cattle, but the bigger story is about our loss of freedom,” Carol Bundy added. “They have come and taken over this whole corner of the county. They’ve taken over policing power, they’ve taken over our freedom, and they’re stealing cattle.”

“And our sheriff says he just doesn’t have authority, our governor says he doesn’t have authority, and we’re saying, why are we a state?”

“I’m a producer,” Cliven Bundy said. “I produce edible commodity from the desert forage, and all of these things are governed under state law. So, in other words, this type of government has eliminated all of our state law, eliminated our state sovereignty, and has took control over our public lands and even took control over our Clark County sheriff. They’ve taken the whole county over. The whole state, almost.”

“This is just about power of the government,” Carol Bundy said.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval (R.) voiced his concern about so-called “First Amendment Areas,” designated locations set up by the BLM where citizens can protest the removal.

“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution,” he said in a statement Tuesday.

“To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately,” he said. “No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans. The BLM needs to reconsider its approach to this matter and act accordingly.”

Sandoval also said his office has received numerous complaints about the BLM’s conduct, including road closures and “other disturbances.”

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Old 04-11-2014, 09:41 PM   #106
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Agreed. I'm making more a general statement. There isn't an American that truly owns his own land and the EPA gestapo getting away with what they can is proof of that.
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:45 PM   #109
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The rest of the story BLM & Reid don't want talked about...

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Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.

And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well.

“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”

His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:53 PM   #111
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Why would you feel sorry for him? The Feds owned the land before that guy ever got there. What is so hard to understand about it is not his? If it was owned by someone other than the Feds, it still wouldn't be his.
Theres actually quite a bit of controversy about that, why would the federal government need to own that much land?... a single species of turtle?, that's really why BLM officers are slamming old women to the ground, that's why 200+ armed for hardcore battle agents have been deployed to face off against a few farmers?

Bullshit, this isn't about some ****ing turtle, and it also isn't about land rights, because by law any person who makes improvments upon PUBLIC lands and shows consistent gainful production from those efforts is entitled to continue under both Federal AND State law.

Its no different than my dads mining claim in Nevada, as long as he showed yearly improvement on the property it was his... Cliven Bundy built watersheds and corralled areas on his OWN dime to make that land profitable for the local economy, he also bought water rights on his OWN dime, trying to turn scrub land into something productive and profitable.

This is really all about a ****ing turtle? ... bullshit, this is a land grab so the feds can sell it to the highest bidder for fracking or whatever other bullshit money buys these days.
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:55 PM   #113
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Why would you feel sorry for him? The Feds owned the land before that guy ever got there. What is so hard to understand about it is not his? If it was owned by someone other than the Feds, it still wouldn't be his.
The Fed never wanted anything to do with that land until they discovered silver on it. They claimed in in droves. Where they have taxed the mining companies like Jews in Jerusalem. Still do what left of the mining in Nevada. Used to be the BLM got along with the Ranchers and let them lease for grazing because no else was doing anything with that land. Unless they find a way to make sagebrush into fuel the only thing that Nevada is good for is Gambling and Cattle. The BLM caters to tree huggers now I never seen one of these turtles out there.

The Corps of Discovery wasnt about discovery it was about what they purchased to see what was the valuable land . What was likely mineral rich and claim it for the Fed. Heck if you read Lewis and Clarks field notes all through the Plains " Not Fit For Cultivation" or No Visible Evidence of Mineral deposits. It was a Federal Government Land Grab.
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Oh yeah, new respect for Xanathol, you've seen the news, you're eyes are open.

"oh its just Infowars hahahaaa", guess what people, they're covering real news as its going down with nary a mainstream source in sight, one of Reids biggest campaign contributors wants that land for development.
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Harry Reid is a dirtbag that noone like there. He gets voted in by the Vegas idiot gaming community and the Mexican and Indian community he caters to.
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) did not consistently disclose health risks to human test subjects it used to study the risks of pollutants, sometimes keeping information about cancer possibilities from participants, the agency’s internal watchdog said Wednesday.

The EPA’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) found that the agency obtained the proper approvals from participants before exposing them to airborne exhaust and diesel pollutants, including particulate matter, in 2010 and 2011. However, the consent forms were inconsistent in their disclosures and did not warn of potential long-term risks of exposure to the gases.

“This was because they only planned to perform short-term exposures and the risk of getting cancer from a single two-hour exposure was minimal,” the OIG said, citing information from an EPA manager who said health risks are calculated for 40 years of exposure.
The OIG found that the agency's research estimated a three in one billion chance of cancer from exposure.

“In our view, the agency should inform study subjects of any potential cancer risks of a pollutant to which they are being exposed so that study subjects can make the most informed decision possible about whether to participate in a study,” the report said.

The EPA considers particulate matter to lead to premature death, and has issued regulations to reduce its emissions.

Sen. David Vitter (La.), the top Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, which oversees the EPA, said the report shows the agency’s issues with science and transparency. His committee and the House Science, Space and Technology Committee have worked for years to find problems with the science the EPA uses to justify its controversial regulations.

“When justifying a job-killing regulation, EPA argues exposure to particulate matter is deadly, but when they are conducting experiments, they say human exposure studies are not harmful,” Vitter said in a statement. “This is a prime example of how EPA handpicks what scientific information and uncertainties they use to support their overreaching agenda.”

The EPA said in a statement it followed all necessary laws, but agrees with the OIG’s finding that changing its practices could be helpful.

“EPA concurs with and is adopting the OIG’s recommendations to ensure its policies and procedures are strengthened even further,” spokeswoman Alisha Johnson said.

Bob Kavlock, EPA’s deputy assistant administrator for science, wrote a blog post Wednesday defending the agency’s actions and saying it would incorporate the recommendations.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...#ixzz2ydakLiLl

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The Fed never wanted anything to do with that land until they discovered silver on it. They claimed in in droves. Where they have taxed the mining companies like Jews in Jerusalem. Still do what left of the mining in Nevada. Used to be the BLM got along with the Ranchers and let them lease for grazing because no else was doing anything with that land. Unless they find a way to make sagebrush into fuel the only thing that Nevada is good for is Gambling and Cattle. The BLM caters to tree huggers now I never seen one of these turtles out there.
You're clueless. They have offered to lease it for grazing for years. Rancher refuses to pay.
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Theres actually quite a bit of controversy about that, why would the federal government need to own that much land?... a single species of turtle?, that's really why BLM officers are slamming old women to the ground, that's why 200+ armed for hardcore battle agents have been deployed to face off against a few farmers?

Bullshit, this isn't about some ****ing turtle, and it also isn't about land rights, because by law any person who makes improvments upon PUBLIC lands and shows consistent gainful production from those efforts is entitled to continue under both Federal AND State law.

Its no different than my dads mining claim in Nevada, as long as he showed yearly improvement on the property it was his... Cliven Bundy built watersheds and corralled areas on his OWN dime to make that land profitable for the local economy, he also bought water rights on his OWN dime, trying to turn scrub land into something productive and profitable.

This is really all about a ****ing turtle? ... bullshit, this is a land grab so the feds can sell it to the highest bidder for fracking or whatever other bullshit money buys these days.
No, it isn't. How is it a land grab? It is Fed land. It was never the rancher's land. They've been trying to get him off it for many years.

And, if you make improvements on land that the owner has told you to get off, it don't count. And, he hasn't made improvements--he just lets his cattle graze there.
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We're really supposed to believe this is all about a turtle? its just so bad, and the sheep just lick it up.

Its about fee's though!... WHO's fees might I ask? the fees Bundy already paid to NEVADA for the land and water rights? don't those count? since when does the federal government own public lands in NEVADA?

This tract of scrub land isn't some state park, there are no federal facilities on it... it WAS public and now THEY want it so they can make some money, **** this old rancher who contributes to his local economy amirite? Harry "the snake" Reid needs some money!

I started out ambivelant, but the more one actually reads the clearer it becomes... a federal government out of control, gobbling up everything it can, **** you little rancher, big money is moving in.
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