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Rancher: armed feds are surrounding my farm

A two-decades-old battle between a Nevada rancher and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has resulted in officials armed with machine guns surrounding the ranch and forcibly removing the owner’s cattle, according to the rancher’s family.

Cliven Bundy, the last rancher in Clark County, Nev., has been fighting a “one-man range war” since 1993, when he decided to take a stand against the agency, refusing to pay fees for the right to graze on a ranch run by his family for centuries.

After years of court battles, the BLM secured a federal court order to have Bundy’s “trespass cattle” forcibly removed with heavy artillery, the family said.

“The battle’s been going on for 20 years,” Bundy told theWashington Free Beacon. “What’s happened the last two weeks, the United States government, the bureaus are getting this army together and they’re going to get their job done and they’re going to prove two things. They’re going to prove they can do it, and they’re gonna prove that they have unlimited power, and that they control the policing power over this public land. That’s what they’re trying to prove.”

Bundy said the government has brought everything but tanks and rocket launchers.

“They’re carrying the same things a soldier would,” he said. “Automatic weapons, sniper rifles, top communication, top surveillance equipment, lots of vehicles. It’s heavy soldier type equipment.”

His wife, Carol Bundy, said that roughly 200 armed agents from the BLM and FBI are stationed around their land, located about 75 miles outside of Las Vegas. Helicopters circle the premises, and the airspace and nearby roads remain blocked.

“We’re surrounded,” Carol Bundy said. “We’re estimating that there are over 200 armed BLM, FBI. We’ve got surveillance cameras at our house, they’re probably listening to me talk to you right now.”

A National Park Service spokesman denied there were armed guards rounding up the cattle in a conference call on Tuesday. However, she confirmed that there was “security” in place, citing threats to the contractors who are removing the cattle.

“Contractors are here and they are in place to round-up the cattle and to bring them to the impound area,” Christie Vanover said. “As for security, there [is] security in place, but that is merely to protect the contractors.”

“As you know, we have received threats and the contractors have received threats,” Vanover said. “Our personnel here and throughout the park service and throughout the BLM have received threats, as well. So security is in place to merely protect the contractors so that we can complete this operation.”

As of Monday, officials have seized 234 of Bundy’s 908 cattle. Impounding the cattle alone could cost the government as much as $3 million.

“They just brought a load down today,” she said. “They kind of harass us as well. When we leave they follow us.”

This afternoon eight helicopters surrounded the family after they began taking pictures, according to Bundy’s daughter, Bailey. Their son, Dave Bundy, was arrested for taking pictures on state road 170, which has been closed, and is being held by BLM.

The BLM said they took Dave Bundy into custody following his “failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”

Carol Bundy said five officials took Dave and “threw him on the ground.”

“One put his knee on his head, the other put his boot on his head and pushed him into the gravel,” she said. “He’s got quite a bruised head. Just bruised him up pretty good.”

Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise.”

“We’re heartened and thankful that the agencies are finally living up to their stewardship duty,” said Rob Mrowka, a Nevada-based senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. “The Gold Butte area has been officially designated as critical habitat for threatened tortoises—meaning the area is essential to their long-term survival as a species.”

“[Cliven] Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch,” added Terri Robertson, president of Friends of Sloan Canyon.

The BLM designated 186,909 acres of the Gold Butte off-limits for the “critical desert tortoise” population in 1998. Bundy had already lost his grazing permit five years earlier for refusing to pay fees for the land, which his family has ranched since the 1870s.

The “federal grazing fee” is $1.35 per “Animal Unit Month,” or the amount of forage needed per animal, each month. Bundy said he owes roughly $300,000 in back fees, while the BLM asserts he owes over $1 million. The BLM defended the removal because Bundy did not “voluntarily” give up his cattle.

“We’ve tried to do this through the legal and we’ve tried to do it through the political, and what we’re at right now, I guess we’re going to have to try to stand,” Cliven Bundy said. “We the people have to stand on the ground and get our state sovereignty back, and also take some liberty and freedoms back to where we have at least access to this land.”

“The story is a lot about the cattle, but the bigger story is about our loss of freedom,” Carol Bundy added. “They have come and taken over this whole corner of the county. They’ve taken over policing power, they’ve taken over our freedom, and they’re stealing cattle.”

“And our sheriff says he just doesn’t have authority, our governor says he doesn’t have authority, and we’re saying, why are we a state?”

“I’m a producer,” Cliven Bundy said. “I produce edible commodity from the desert forage, and all of these things are governed under state law. So, in other words, this type of government has eliminated all of our state law, eliminated our state sovereignty, and has took control over our public lands and even took control over our Clark County sheriff. They’ve taken the whole county over. The whole state, almost.”

“This is just about power of the government,” Carol Bundy said.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval (R.) voiced his concern about so-called “First Amendment Areas,” designated locations set up by the BLM where citizens can protest the removal.

“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution,” he said in a statement Tuesday.

“To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately,” he said. “No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans. The BLM needs to reconsider its approach to this matter and act accordingly.”

Sandoval also said his office has received numerous complaints about the BLM’s conduct, including road closures and “other disturbances.”

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Old 04-11-2014, 10:16 PM   #121
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We're really supposed to believe this is all about a turtle? its just so bad, and the sheep just lick it up.

Its about fee's though!... WHO's fees might I ask? the fees Bundy already paid to NEVADA for the land and water rights? don't those count? since when does the federal government own public lands in NEVADA?

This tract of scrub land isn't some state park, there are no federal facilities on it... it WAS public and now THEY want it so they can make some money, **** this old rancher who contributes to his local economy amirite? Harry "the snake" Reid needs some money!

I started out ambivelant, but the more one actually reads the clearer it becomes... a federal government out of control, gobbling up everything it can, **** you little rancher, big money is moving in.
Dude. You are spiraling down the rabbit hole. It's simple, it's not his land period. Pay fees to graze or get off the land. It's actually pretty damned simple.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:18 PM   #122
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The Fed never wanted anything to do with that land until they discovered silver on it. They claimed in in droves. Where they have taxed the mining companies like Jews in Jerusalem. Still do what left of the mining in Nevada.
What does that mean?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:19 PM   #123
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Dude. You are spiraling down the rabbit hole. It's simple, it's not his land period. Pay fees to graze or get off the land. It's actually pretty damned simple.
so let's get this straight...his cows were grazing in fed land for free so they send in a small army to stop it.

millions on people sneak over our border illegally and get food stamps and we welcome them with open arms?


Just wanna make sure I got it straight
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:19 PM   #124
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So...the people of Nevada.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:20 PM   #125
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:21 PM   #126
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No, it isn't. How is it a land grab? It is Fed land. It was never the rancher's land. They've been trying to get him off it for many years.
If it was such a big freaking deal to NEVADA, then why haven't THEY been pressing him out all of these years? I'll tell you why, because he has paid every tax and fee that NEVADA required.

But now the federal government decides NEVADA land is THEIR land and nary a single prominent figure has spoken up because they fear for their "job", instead of exercising states rights they've caved to big money pressure.

And in the case of Reid, they've been hoodwinked by yet another federal government shyster... it wasn't and never will be Federal land, its Nevada land... and Bundy paid all of his required fees to THEM, but under pressure they're going to let him get ****ed.

Over some turtles, is that right? BLM needed trained snipers on ridges to protect a few turtles? ha.ha.HA.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:24 PM   #127
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We're really supposed to believe this is all about a turtle? its just so bad, and the sheep just lick it up.

Its about fee's though!... WHO's fees might I ask? the fees Bundy already paid to NEVADA for the land and water rights? don't those count? since when does the federal government own public lands in NEVADA?

This tract of scrub land isn't some state park, there are no federal facilities on it... it WAS public and now THEY want it so they can make some money, **** this old rancher who contributes to his local economy amirite? Harry "the snake" Reid needs some money!

I started out ambivelant, but the more one actually reads the clearer it becomes... a federal government out of control, gobbling up everything it can, **** you little rancher, big money is moving in.
No.

This is perhaps the dumbest you've ever been. It is not the rancher's land. What part of that don't you get?

That's really all you need to know, but also relevant is that he is allowed to use the land (which isn't his) for a fee. He refuses to pay the feds--however, he said he would pay the state. So, he's just being a dick basically. Also, they have been dealing with this dick for years. Physically booting him was a last resort.
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If it was such a big freaking deal to NEVADA, then why haven't THEY been pressing him out all of these years? I'll tell you why, because he has paid every tax and fee that NEVADA required.
They have. Years of court orders. JFC...****ing read something about this that's not on the Alex Jones website.
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Dude. You are spiraling down the rabbit hole. It's simple, it's not his land period. Pay fees to graze or get off the land. It's actually pretty damned simple.
Its not federal ****ing land in the FIRST place you simp, what has the federal government done to it, where does their claim come from? Is it a park, a national defense concern, a seat of federal government?

Its NEVADA land and Bundy paid his fee's to NEVADA.

No, its not federal land... they just decided they wanted it for their own with no stated reason other than "turtles" gimme a break, not even you are that dense, Dave.
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My final take on this, just watch, when the federal government finally wins this land, within two years... it will be sold to a developer of some sort.

Fracking, oil, solar whatever... this land will eventually line a politicians pockets, the fact that they even dare mention a goddamned turtle should be enough to let you know they're LYING.

If that's not enough then whatever, we'll just watch and see.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:45 PM   #134
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Its not federal ****ing land in the FIRST place you simp, what has the federal government done to it, where does their claim come from? Is it a park, a national defense concern, a seat of federal government?

Its NEVADA land and Bundy paid his fee's to NEVADA.

No, its not federal land... they just decided they wanted it for their own with no stated reason other than "turtles" gimme a break, not even you are that dense, Dave.
It isn't Nevada land.
But the one to make the claim otherwise is the state of Nevada, and they aren't making it. You're doubling down on dumb.
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My final take on this, just watch, when the federal government finally wins this land, within two years... it will be sold to a developer of some sort.

Fracking, oil, solar whatever... this land will eventually line a politicians pockets, the fact that they even dare mention a goddamned turtle should be enough to let you know they're LYING.

If that's not enough then whatever, we'll just watch and see.
Lying about what? The guy is allowed to graze for a fee, which he has refused to pay for 20+ years. What else is there?
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