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Old 04-17-2014, 09:07 PM  
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Life without Parole for nonviolent Cannabis conviction

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Efforts to release Jeff Mizanskey, the only man in Missouri serving a life-without-parole sentence for a nonviolent marijuana charge, are continuing this month with help from Show-Me Cannabis and Change.org.

Show-Me Cannabis has bought billboard space on I-70 near Kansas City (and near Sedalia, where Mizanskey was arrested). The billboard features a photo of Mizanskey and says: "Life without parole for cannabis? It's time we fix our unjust marijuana laws."

Jeff Mizanskey was convicted under Missouri's "Prior and Persistent Drug Offender" statute, the only drug-specific three-strike law in the country. Each of his felonies were for marijuana, the largest being approximately six pounds, which he didn't even have on him. To read the details of Mizanskey's story, go to: How a Missouri Man Could Die in Prison for Weed
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Old 04-19-2014, 05:47 PM   #136
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Man Gets Life In Prison For Loaning His Car: http://youtu.be/Q-PLKwJX9-8
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what a shitty situation. One would think there is enough reasonable doubt to keep him from being convicted, but then again he probably had awful legal representation and he was lumped in with the others.
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Old 04-19-2014, 05:49 PM   #137
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Weed? OK legalize it.

Meth, coke, and heroin? **** no.
As a physician I am all for drug legalization.
allopathic medicine should not be legalized drug dealing.
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Old 04-19-2014, 05:58 PM   #138
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what a shitty situation. One would think there is enough reasonable doubt to keep him from being convicted, but then again he probably had awful legal representation and he was lumped in with the others.
Worst jury panel, ever.

There is No WAY I would vote to convict. How could you?
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:00 PM   #139
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:18 PM   #140
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As a physician I am all for drug legalization.
allopathic medicine should not be legalized drug dealing.

As a non physician some of the most ridiculously clueless people I have met have been PHD's. Something about adding that Dr title seems to make people stop thinking clearly.

They are all really smart, but most are clueless when it comes to reality. And I deal with a ton of them in my line of work.

You dont seem to be the exception
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:20 PM   #141
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And BTW meth and heroin dont really have any allopathic uses but like I said, I cant expect common sense dealing with you.
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:34 PM   #142
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Thats like saying a lady finger and a stick of dynamite have the same level of danger.

At some point you have to use common sense.

Weed? OK legalize it.

Meth, coke, and heroin? **** no.
Why not?

You do realize that most of the deaths from those drugs come from it being illegal right? The user doesn't know what the drugs were cut with or what the purity of the drug is. Those problems go away when you legalize because suddenly the suppliers are liable for their product.
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:27 PM   #143
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As a non physician some of the most ridiculously clueless people I have met have been PHD's. Something about adding that Dr title seems to make people stop thinking clearly.

They are all really smart, but most are clueless when it comes to reality. And I deal with a ton of them in my line of work.

You dont seem to be the exception
instead of beating around the bush to say I'm clueless, why dont you share why currently illegal drugs should not be legalized?
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instead of beating around the bush to say I'm clueless, why dont you share why currently illegal drugs should not be legalized?
Why don't you tell us what good can come from legalizing heroin, meth, coke, etc.
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And BTW meth and heroin dont really have any allopathic uses but like I said, I cant expect common sense dealing with you.
heroin is an opoid (just like morphine), and has analgesic properties.
methamphetamine is a stimulant.

amphetamines and opiods are used to treat disease or manage their side-effects. To claim that heroin and meth dont have allopathic uses is absurd.
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:36 PM   #146
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heroin is an opoid (just like morphine), and has analgesic properties.
methamphetamine is a stimulant.

amphetamines and opiods are used to treat disease or manage their side-effects. To claim that heroin and meth dont have allopathic uses is absurd.
Ya- only your currently top prescribed drug for ADD/HD.
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:40 PM   #147
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Just legalize it already. All this shit is so senseless and a waste of taxpayer money.

It's a new economy and this country needs to think outside the box. Legalize it, tax the shit out of it, and lets move on to other things.
Agree, pretty much. But under current law, SIX POUNDS, really???....dude is just stupid dumb, beyond the pale.

Jail might at least keep him from reproducing much??? Just sayin'....heh.
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heroin is an opoid (just like morphine), and has analgesic properties.
methamphetamine is a stimulant.

amphetamines and opiods are used to treat disease or manage their side-effects. To claim that heroin and meth dont have allopathic uses is absurd.


Seriously, a "real" doc??? Arkansas, or West Virginia...sir???

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Why don't you tell us what good can come from legalizing heroin, meth, coke, etc.
all drugs should be legal. An adult of sound mind should have the ability to do with their body as they please. Any "sin" would be against themself. Just like alcohol, a consenting adult should be free to partake of whichever drug they use (and accept the consequences of their actions). Just like those who abuse alcohol, their are means of dealing with any crimes that come from abuse (DWI, DUI, theft, etc.). Just like alcohol, not all users are abusers. In essence, self-medicating should not be illegal.

In medicine we have the principle of autonomy. Respect for autonomy includes respecting an individual’s right to self-determination as well as creating the conditions necessary for autonomous choice. Thus my job is to provide patients with the knowledge so that they can make an informed decision. I try to avoid a paternalistic relationship with my patients, and I dont think that the government should have a "nanny" state relationship with citizens telling them what they should and shouldnt eat, drink, smoke, shoot-up, etc.

As for other reasons why heroin, meth, coke, etc should be legal:

1. Legalizing drugs would make our streets and homes safer.
2. End prison overcrowding.
3. Drug legalization would free up police resources to fight non-drug related crimes against people and property.
4. Unclog the court system.
5. Reduce corruption of officials.
6. Legalization would save tax money.
7. Legalized drugs would cripple organized crime.
8. Legal drugs would be safer. Legalization is a consumer protection issue.
9. Legalization would slow the spread of AIDS and other diseases.
10. Legalization would halt the erosion of other civil liberties.
11. Legalization would stabilize foreign countries and make them safer for residents and travelers.
12. Legalization would repair U.S. relations with other countries and curtail anti-American sentiment around the world.
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As a physician I am all for drug legalization.
allopathic medicine should not be legalized drug dealing.
Er, eh...MJ is one thing. But, seriously....the rest???

What does the AMA think about your proposal? Why are you more credible than them? Thanks, in advance, for your response.

FWIW, any doc who has time to spend here that you seem to...well, heh, it's "interesting" to say the least....
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