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Oklahoma inmate dies after execution is botched




Oklahoma inmate dies after execution is botched



McALESTER, Okla. (AP) A botched execution that used a new drug combination left an Oklahoma inmate writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney Tuesday, leading prison officials to halt the proceedings before the inmate's eventual death from a heart attack.

Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.

The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings. Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.

"It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched," said Lockett's attorney, David Autry.

The apparent failure of the execution is likely to fuel more debate about the ability of states to administer lethal injections that meet the U.S. Constitution's requirement they be a neither cruel nor unusual punishment. That question has drawn renewed attention from defense attorneys and death penalty opponents in recent months, as several states scrambled to find new sources of execution drugs because drugmakers that oppose capital punishment many based in Europe have stopped selling to prisons and corrections departments.

Several states have gone to court to shield the identities of the new sources of their execution drugs. Missouri and Texas, like Oklahoma, have both refused to reveal their sources, but both of those states have since successfully carried out executions with their new supplies.

Tuesday was the first time Oklahoma used the drug midazolam as the first element in its execution drug combination. Other states have used it before; Florida administers 500 milligrams of midazolam as part of its three-drug combination. Oklahoma used 100 milligrams of that drug.

"They should have anticipated possible problems with an untried execution protocol," Autry said. "Obviously the whole thing was gummed up and botched from beginning to end. Halting the execution obviously did Lockett no good."

Republican Gov. Mary Fallin ordered a 14-day stay of execution for an inmate who was scheduled to die two hours after Lockett, Charles Warner. She also ordered the state's Department of Corrections to conduct a "full review of Oklahoma's execution procedures to determine what happened and why during this evening's execution."

Robert Patton, the department's director, halted Lockett's execution about 20 minutes after the first drug was administered. He later said there had been vein failure.

The execution began at 6:23 p.m., when officials began administering the first drug, the sedative midazolam. A doctor declared Lockett to be unconscious at 6:33 p.m.

Once an inmate is declared unconscious, the state's execution protocol calls for the second drug, a paralytic, to be administered. The third drug in the protocol is potassium chloride, which stops the heart. Patton said the second and third drugs were being administered when a problem was noticed and it's unclear how much of the drugs made it into the inmate's system.

Lockett began writhing at 6:36. At 6:39, a doctor lifted the sheet that was covering the inmate to examine the injection site.

"There was some concern at that time that the drugs were not having that (desired) effect, and the doctor observed the line at that time and determined the line had blown," Patton said at a news conference afterward, referring to Lockett's vein rupturing.

After an official lowered the blinds, Patton made a series of phone calls before calling a halt to the execution.

"After conferring with the warden, and unknown how much drugs went into him, it was my decision at that time to stop the execution," Patton told reporters.

Lockett was declared dead at 7:06 p.m.

Autry, Lockett's attorney, was immediately skeptical of the department's determination the issue was limited to a problem with Lockett's vein.

"I'm not a medical professional, but Mr. Lockett was not someone who had compromised veins," Autry said. "He was in very good shape. He had large arms and very prominent veins."

In Ohio, the January execution of an inmate who made snorting and gasping sounds led to a civil rights lawsuit by his family and calls for a moratorium. The state has stood by the execution but said Monday that it's boosting the dosages of its lethal injection drugs.

A four-time felon, Lockett was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.

Warner had been scheduled to be put to death two hours later in the same room and on the same gurney. The 46-year-old was convicted of raping and killing his roommate's 11-month-old daughter in 1997. He has maintained his innocence.

Lockett and Warner had sued the state for refusing to disclose details about the execution drugs, including where Oklahoma obtained them.

The case, filed as a civil matter, placed Oklahoma's two highest courts at odds and prompted calls for the impeachment of state Supreme Court justices after the court last week issued a rare stay of execution. The high court later dissolved its stay and dismissed the inmates' claim that they were entitled to know the source of the drugs.

By then, Fallin had weighed into the matter by issuing a stay of her own a one-week delay in Lockett's execution that resulted in both men being scheduled to die on the same day.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:02 PM   #46
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You don't seem to have a very good handle on conservatism. That's why this mysterious subject fascinates you so much.
Which part of conservatism does he have wrong? Generally speaking, conservatives are both anti-big-government and pro-life, but also pro-death penalty. I'm curious which part of that is a misconception.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:25 PM   #47
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I don't get it. Why don't they just give them a lethal dose of morphine?
Morphine alone would take too long. It would kill by suffocation, or hypotension, and the amount needed to cause it would vary from person to person. While the check was in the mail you'd have someone suffering from opioid overdose - turning blue, convulsing, puking, etc.. They would probably die slowly. This is problematic because morphine's sedative properties are not as long lasting as the analgesic properties. If the dosing is wrong then you don't have an unconscious "patient".

in the cocktail Pavulon is the second drug given, it's a muscle relaxer. You can't use this alone, though because Pavulon has no hypnotic or analgesic effect. The person would be conscious while they suffocated.

The third one, potassium chloride, blocks the receptors which receive the messages that tell the heart to beat. It is extremely painful to have injected because of its tonicity.

So, before these two are given the person is anesthetized by being given a large dose of a barbiturate. You could give a very large dose of the barbiturate to kill them instead, but you'd have the same problems as if you tried death by morphine.

The cocktail is supposed to be multiple layers that ensure they die quickly, before the barbiturate weakens, and that they are unconscious of the fact. The combination of the three is supposed to make sure they are dead before they wake up.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:25 PM   #48
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Which part of conservatism does he have wrong? Generally speaking, conservatives are both anti-big-government and pro-life, but also pro-death penalty. I'm curious which part of that is a misconception.
The part where he doesn't seem to understand exactly what you just said. He seems to think that traditional conservatives put small government ahead of all else and therefore that when a conservative takes a tough on crime or a pro life position he's being inconsistent. That's simply not the case. Traditional conservatives believe in a government that supports traditional morality (tough on crime, anti-abortion, pro-family, etc.) and maintains a strong national defense while being limited in terms of micromanaging individuals within the constraints of those principles.

I'm generalizing here, of course, because there are obviously lots of different factions within conservatism. But conservatism isn't the same as the radical libertarianism box (where all government is bad) in which Trolly seems to want to put it. Hell, libertarianism isn't even the same as radical libertarianism.
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:03 PM   #50
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The part where he doesn't seem to understand exactly what you just said. He seems to think that traditional conservatives put small government ahead of all else and therefore that when a conservative takes a tough on crime or a pro life position he's being inconsistent. That's simply not the case. Traditional conservatives believe in a government that supports traditional morality (tough on crime, anti-abortion, pro-family, etc.) and maintains a strong national defense while being limited in terms of micromanaging individuals within the constraints of those principles.

I'm generalizing here, of course, because there are obviously lots of different factions within conservatism. But conservatism isn't the same as the radical libertarianism box (where all government is bad) in which Trolly seems to want to put it. Hell, libertarianism isn't even the same as radical libertarianism.
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:13 PM   #51
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The problem with traditional conservatives is that this:

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being limited in terms of micromanaging individuals within the constraints of those principles.
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I'm generalizing here, of course, because there are obviously lots of different factions within conservatism. But conservatism isn't the same as the radical libertarianism box (where all government is bad) in which Trolly seems to want to put it. Hell, libertarianism isn't even the same as radical libertarianism.
All libertarians think government is bad. The debate is how much bad is needed to maintain a civil society. You have the an caps which say none and then you have other strains that have a debate to how which bad and where that bad can be.
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No it doesn't. That's called tension not contradiction.
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No it doesn't. That's called tension not contradiction.
If you are for the War on Drugs, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want the government to promote "family values", you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want a "strong national defense" and all the security state entails, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want to ban vices or establish sin taxes, you want to micromanage peoples lives.

Conservatives and Progressives are of the same authoritarian mold, they just choose different subjects to be authoritarian about. Neither is content to let people do what they wish to do as long as they are not harming another person or their property.
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:47 PM   #54
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:51 PM   #55
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If you are for the War on Drugs, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want the government to promote "family values", you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want a "strong national defense" and all the security state entails, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want to ban vices or establish sin taxes, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
Yeah, I get all that. Do you understand what "within the constraints of those principles" means? It's a tension between competing principles, not a contradiction between incompatible principles.

It's really not different than your libertarian idea of individual freedom being constrained by the prohibition on doing harm to the freedom and property of another. I could make a list like yours:

If you want to prevent people from punching each other in the face, you're limiting freedom.
If you want to prevent people from stealing others property, you're limiting freedom.
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If you are for the War on Drugs, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want the government to promote "family values", you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want a "strong national defense" and all the security state entails, you want to micromanage peoples lives.
If you want to ban vices or establish sin taxes, you want to micromanage peoples lives.

Conservatives and Progressives are of the same authoritarian mold, they just choose different subjects to be authoritarian about. Neither is content to let people do what they wish to do as long as they are not harming another person or their property.
This is why "Big/Small Government" is such a meaningless phrase. Conservatives, who are hung up on the phrase, never seem to mind Big Government if it supports things they like.
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They were using midazolam, not a barbiturate. This is a recent change due to barbiturate shortages (US companies stopped making it and European companies won't send it over because what it is used for). Midazolam offers less complete sedation. Typically two veins are used simultaneously but in this case only one was found in the groin. It blew midinfusion and that is what created the issue.

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Morphine alone would take too long. It would kill by suffocation, or hypotension, and the amount needed to cause it would vary from person to person. While the check was in the mail you'd have someone suffering from opioid overdose - turning blue, convulsing, puking, etc.. They would probably die slowly. This is problematic because morphine's sedative properties are not as long lasting as the analgesic properties. If the dosing is wrong then you don't have an unconscious "patient".

in the cocktail Pavulon is the second drug given, it's a muscle relaxer. You can't use this alone, though because Pavulon has no hypnotic or analgesic effect. The person would be conscious while they suffocated.

The third one, potassium chloride, blocks the receptors which receive the messages that tell the heart to beat. It is extremely painful to have injected because of its tonicity.

So, before these two are given the person is anesthetized by being given a large dose of a barbiturate. You could give a very large dose of the barbiturate to kill them instead, but you'd have the same problems as if you tried death by morphine.

The cocktail is supposed to be multiple layers that ensure they die quickly, before the barbiturate weakens, and that they are unconscious of the fact. The combination of the three is supposed to make sure they are dead before they wake up.
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They were using midazolam, not a barbiturate. This is a recent change due to barbiturate shortages (US companies stopped making it and European companies won't send it over because what it is used for). Midazolam offers less complete sedation. Typically two veins are used simultaneously but in this case only one was found in the groin. It blew midinfusion and that is what created the issue.
I hadn't heard of versed being used for this purpose, that's interesting.
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