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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...very-american/
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:55 PM   #2
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If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it.
But it will never be allowed to be that or whatever it actually is. Unless it is what the Rs want it to be, Rs will just keep saying that the "real" truth is being covered up.

And as for this "cover-up," I'm not really sure what is being covered up. Were they running a whorehouse there? Illegal weapons deals? OK well, either get the evidence of about it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:05 PM   #3
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It should have mattered from the start. It didnt. It probably wont.

We are a country who likes to be entertained. Things like government, corruption, economy are hard . We want easy and fun and touchy feely.

Far more important to debate the next draft, who is winning on the Voice, what did some actor do , and hope and cheer more liberal laws on drugs or whatever.

Obama was a rockstar, never a leader. He had flash and was sorta hip. Benghazi stinks and it stinks all the way to Hillary and Obama and a lot inbetween.

Its Dirty, it is coverups, and best to hide the truth. Truth takes effort and challenges people mentally. Its better to ignore it and pretend voting for him was and is still cool.

Hillary being protected is more important.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:08 PM   #4
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But it will never be allowed to be that or whatever it actually is. Unless it is what the Rs want it to be, Rs will just keep saying that the "real" truth is being covered up.

And as for this "cover-up," I'm not really sure what is being covered up. Were they running a whorehouse there? Illegal weapons deals? OK well, either get the evidence of about it.
Or, we could focus on the fact they tried to blame this attack on a frigging internet video when they knew damn well it wasn't.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:09 PM   #5
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And if even that is true, that would be a big horrendous scandal because...? ZOMG politicians spin things sometimes. Never happened before. IMPEACH EVERYONE

I know this stuff is red meat for the base. But you're never going to convince swing voters that a mis-characterization of the possible cause of Benghazi, for a day or two, is that big of a deal. I guess the hope is to just keep screaming BENGHAZI for 5 years solid until low information voters think it must be a big deal even though they have no idea why.

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Old 05-01-2014, 03:09 PM   #6
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Or, we could focus on the fact they tried to blame this attack on a frigging internet video when they knew damn well it wasn't.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:11 PM   #7
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It should have mattered from the start. It didnt. It probably wont.

We are a country who likes to be entertained. Things like government, corruption, economy are hard . We want easy and fun and touchy feely.

Far more important to debate the next draft, who is winning on the Voice, what did some actor do , and hope and cheer more liberal laws on drugs or whatever.

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Its Dirty, it is coverups, and best to hide the truth. Truth takes effort and challenges people mentally. Its better to ignore it and pretend voting for him was and is still cool.

Hillary being protected is more important.
Despite the nation's apparent fascination with The Voice and such, some people are able to think about more than one thing at a time and the Rs have been hammering on Benghazi for awhile now. That they haven't found what the Rs wanted to find = It's The Voice's fault.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:15 PM   #8
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And if even that is true, that would be a big horrendous scandal because...? ZOMG politicians spin things sometimes. Never happened before. IMPEACH EVERYONE
Have you watched the video? From the minute I watched the video I knew it was bullshit. The scandal is thinking the American are really that stupid, but then again, I guess it's not much of a scandal when people like you walk the earth.

But seriously, if you don't see the problem with blaming the video to cover up your failings before an election, while promising to "go after the man who made the video", there's really nothing I can say to you. You aren't rational, you are a cheerleader.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:18 PM   #9
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Or, we could focus on the fact they tried to blame this attack on a frigging internet video when they knew damn well it wasn't.
How often does a terrorist attack or any crime occur, especially something chaotic like this, and they immediately know WTF happened and all the details that led up to it?

There were protests in several other locations the same day about the video.
If that is the extent of the so-called cover-up, get the **** over it already. Whether people were pissed about a video or pissed about something else, the rockets they fired still explode the same way.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:22 PM   #10
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Have you watched the video? From the minute I watched the video I knew it was bullshit. The scandal is thinking the American are really that stupid, but then again, I guess it's not much of a scandal when people like you walk the earth.

But seriously, if you don't see the problem with blaming the video to cover up your failings before an election, while promising to "go after the man who made the video", there's really nothing I can say to you. You aren't rational, you are a cheerleader.
You didn't know shit. You ignore that there were protests about the video.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:23 PM   #11
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Have you watched the video? From the minute I watched the video I knew it was bullshit. The scandal is thinking the American are really that stupid, but then again, I guess it's not much of a scandal when people like you walk the earth.

But seriously, if you don't see the problem with blaming the video to cover up your failings before an election, while promising to "go after the man who made the video", there's really nothing I can say to you. You aren't rational, you are a cheerleader.
Vox.com is non-partisan and strives very hard to be fact-based, and always gives both sides of the story:
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Though Innocence was never finished, Nakoula uploaded 14 minutes of clips to YouTube. The Egyptian media translated the clips and broadcast them on September 8th, sparking about 40 protests around the world, almost all of them against US diplomatic facilities. There's some evidence that militants were driven to join the attack out of anger at the video, although whether they were at all motivated by the film or just exploited it as an opportunity still isn't clear.

However, the intelligence community's initial theory ó that the Benghazi grew out of a protest about Innocence ó turned out to be false. Evidence from a number of sources, including closed circuit video of the attacks, convinced the CIA, FBI, and other intelligence agencies that the militants showed up specifically to attack the mission, rather than to simply protest outside of it.
I'm just not seeing scandal of the century here.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:24 PM   #12
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You didn't know shit. You ignore that there were protests about the video.
No he just consumes all his news from the conservative media bubble, which conveniently leaves that out.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:43 PM   #13
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Vox.com is non-partisan and strives very hard to be fact-based, and always gives both sides of the story:
http://www.vox.com/cards/benghazi-am...tack/innocence



I'm just not seeing scandal of the century here.
Of course you aren't. There isn't a Republican in the Whitehouse.
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No he just consumes all his news from the conservative media bubble, which conveniently leaves that out.
If you watched any news besides MSN you would know the protests were actually about freeing the blind sheik not the youtube video. The video came out well after the protests were planned.

Oh, and here you go:



So everyone new but Obama. I guess he didn't get a chance to find out about it by watching the news yet.

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Vox.com is non-partisan and strives very hard to be fact-based, and always gives both sides of the story

Vox is absolutely not non-partisan, btw. Not arguing for or against the Benghazi issue, but your statement above is false.
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