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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-02-2014, 01:31 AM   #136
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Again, the question no one can answer--
How does letting them die benefit him politically versus rescuing them?

You're going to have to explain why savnig their lives would have hurt him politically compared to having them die.
You're mistaken. That question is relatively easy to answer. They didn't want to look unprepared for known threats during an election season.

But that's not the limit of where you're mistaken. Obama's critics no longer have to explain anything. That job is done. The question on the table right now is why the administration covered this email up.




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Old 05-02-2014, 01:48 AM   #137
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You're mistaken. That question is relatively easy to answer. They didn't want to look unprepared for known threats during an election season.
They didn't want to look unprepared...so they let 4 people die in an attack rather than rescue them? How does that make sense?
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:54 AM   #138
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You do this a lot. You take something and make these grand conclusions from it that don't really pan out. Especially when it comes to Presidential races.

But I suppose it is that time that I need to prepare for...when every single thing that happens is a game-changerô.
I don't predict too many "game changers." There's only been maybe one or two "game changers" in my lifetime. This is certainly one of them.

Most of the time my stuff pans out. I miss some too. I hit WAY more than I miss. I predicted Obama would become president back in 2007 - before he entered the race or was even really known. I could go on, but I don't really care what anyone thinks about my political tea leaf reading - I call them like I see them, and when I miss, it's not as far as some would have you believe. I'd put my record up against anyone in this forum without breaking a sweat. But that would be a pointless exercise.

This is most definitely a game changer. I've never seen a political game changer like this in my life time. The closest thing that I can think of is the Iran Contra affair. At least with Iran Contra, it was a president trading weapons to terrorists in the hopes of exchanging them for American lives. In this one, the president is fighting the perception that he let Americans die for political reasons.

This is going to get UGLY - and here's why it's a game changer: if it doesn't get ugly, it's only going to get UGLIER. This is a hill that Republicans are going to be willing to die on regardless of the politics and polls. At this point, this is an issue that will easily unify the party. The only question is how Democrats will react.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:56 AM   #139
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They didn't want to look unprepared...so they let 4 people die in an attack rather than rescue them? How does that make sense?
I don't vouch for their logic. I think they chose the worst option of all the options available.

I think you bring up a good question though. One I expect will be asked in the investigation. Why did they let 4 people die in the attack rather than rescue them?
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:59 AM   #140
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I don't predict too many "game changers." There's only been maybe one or two "game changers" in my lifetime. This is certainly one of them.

Most of the time my stuff pans out. I miss some too. I hit WAY more than I miss. I predicted Obama would become president back in 2007 - before he entered the race or was even really known. I could go on, but I don't really care what anyone thinks about my political tea leaf reading - I call them like I see them, and when I miss, it's not as far as some would have you believe. I'd put my record up against anyone in this forum without breaking a sweat. But that would be a pointless exercise.

This is most definitely a game changer. I've never seen a political game changer like this in my life time. The closest thing that I can think of is the Iran Contra affair. At least with Iran Contra, it was a president trading weapons to terrorists in the hopes of exchanging them for American lives. In this one, the president is fighting the perception that he let Americans die for political reasons.

This is going to get UGLY - and here's why it's a game changer: if it doesn't get ugly, it's only going to get UGLIER. This is a hill that Republicans are going to be willing to die on regardless of the politics and polls. At this point, this is an issue that will easily unify the party. The only question is how Democrats will react.
Well you called your shot. I respect that.
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:05 AM   #141
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I'm going to try and put video in order to explain why I think that this is going to be "a thing." Let's start with the media's reaction to this document...




So he says that the document was not about Benghazi, and then here he is describing what's in the document - which is definitely about Benghazi - skip to :20 seconds:



This is an email that pretty well documents that the White House tried to blame the terrorist attack on an anti-Muslim video, rather than allow the perception that Obama and Hillary (the State Department) didn't heed warnings about the attack. Watch this video of Morell's testimony that they "warned, and warned, and warned, and warned."




So now we have this email, and Carney says it didn't have anything to do with Benghazie... Except wait, it did...


Advance to 20 seconds on this video (Transcript below):


"The "only" mention of Benghazi in the email is a question about: What's your response to a story by The Independent newspaper in the UK that says we had intelligence 48 hours in advance of the attack, it was ignored. Not aware of any actionable intelligence was the answer."

Anyone can read the email. Here is is:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...14.pdf#page=14


Speaking directly about Benghazi, one of the bullet points under "Goals" is
  • To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video and not a broader failure of policy

And this under "Top Lines:"
  • Q: What's your response to the Independent story that says we have intelligence 48 hours in advance of the Benghazi attack that was ignored? Was this an intelligence failure?

    A: We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent. The currently available information suggest that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US Consulate and subsequently its annex.


This is a smoking gun, and there's not much wiggle room here at all... The white house invented the connection to the video. That connection was manufactured wholly by them. Watch from 2:25 in this video:




This is most definitely a game changer. I've never seen a political game changer like this in my life time. The closest thing that I can think of is the Iran Contra affair. At least with Iran Contra, it was a president trading weapons to terrorists in the hopes of exchanging them for American lives. In this one, the president is fighting the perception that he let Americans die for political reasons. Whether that perception is true or false is beside the point. Hiding this email puts the perception out there that this is a cover-up, and cover-ups only make the party(s) covering up look guilty. I think we can all agree on that point.

This is going to get UGLY - and here's why it's a game changer: if it doesn't get ugly, it's only going to get UGLIER. This is a hill that Republicans are going to be willing to die on regardless of the politics and polls. At this point, this is an issue that will easily unify the party. The only question is how Democrats will react.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:24 AM   #143
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Excellent post Taco John you laid out the evidence and suzzer and cosmo are stunned and left speechless with nothing left to respond with.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:32 AM   #144
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There were protests all over the world about this video on the same day. This isn't even in dispute. Pretty sure more than a few hundred people saw it.

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Old 05-02-2014, 08:35 AM   #145
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This is likely another reason why the latest poll shows more Americans want less interventions in other countries.
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Hilarious that the WH would hide this email but the State Department released it . I wonder if low John Kerry is trying g to sabotage Hixjory because she looks pretty bad here.
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Hilarious that the WH would hide this email but the State Department released it . I wonder if low John Kerry is trying g to sabotage Hixjory because she looks pretty bad here.

We're about to find out. Issa just dropped a subpoena on Kerry...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ubpoenas-Kerry


Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks this is a game changer.
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It was hilarious to see Jay Carney, that stooge, trying to explain yesterday how this email wasn't about Benghazi and that's why they'd been hiding it.
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It was hilarious to see Jay Carney, that stooge, trying to explain yesterday how this email wasn't about Benghazi and that's why they'd been hiding it.
He should hire Cosmo. Dont deal with the question. Ask another question that has nothing to do with the original.

Looks a bit like media sharks smell blood. If they do this thing will boil over. State , cIA , Executive branch all stink with this one and when one starts to go down they will turn on each other. Kerry has been a flop, his old crony buddies in the Senate will claw his guts out. Hillary cant be found, bill is back on Camera, and Obama cant find a positive so he is back race baiting. Set it all on fire and start over.
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I don't know what else you want in terms of a scandal. The White House conducted a coordinated cover-up in the media to conceal what they were really doing in Benghazi - involving themselves in a conflict in Syria that the public had already expressed with a clear voice that they didn't want us involved in. They made up a lie out of whole cloth to deceive the public about what they were doing because Obama's re-election campaign was in progress.

There is no doubt remaining about what the White House did. They and their remaining defenders have just moved into "This isn't news" "So what?" "What's the big deal?" territory. Ignore the story or act like it isn't one.

I think what could make this scandal different for an already scandal-ridden administration is that they are losing their stenographers in the media on this. And who can blame the media, really? They loyally support the Obama administration, both because they support him politically and in exchange for access and friendly treatment, and this is the thanks they get - making them look like idiots.

Not to mention, when you hang a curveball toward the media like this you offer them the chance to blow a big story open. You are giving reporters and bureaus the chance to develop one of these once in a decade political corruption stories like watergate, lewinsky, whatever. Even if the media remains loyal to the Democrats in general, individuals are going to run with this story making a name for themselves, looking for honors and awards. Bureaus run with these big corruption stories because they mean big ratings and they are good for careers.

Is this a game changer? I don't know. I'm inclined to think not. The average swing voter's attention span is too short for a political corruption story. If you can't hashtag it like #racism or #jobs or #getcovered or whatever, it's harder for it to take off.

I think we are past the point in presidental politics where issues matter, and the tipping point came when Obama had one of the worst terms of any president in modern history and still relatively safely won re-election.

It's not about issues anymore. Identity politics is all there is remaining. I am a (member of voting block X), therefore, I vote for (party). That's all people know or care to know.
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