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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 04:26 PM   #16
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Vox is absolutely not non-partisan, btw. Not arguing for or against the Benghazi issue, but your statement above is false.
You don't get it; every news organization out there who leans towards the left is non-partisan...and EVERYTHING Fox news reports is bullshit, just like the Enquirer was full of it when they were reporting on Edwards. If you can villainize the source, you can ignore facts, evidence and testimony.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:05 PM   #17
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And as for this "cover-up," I'm not really sure what is being covered up. Were they running a whorehouse there? Illegal weapons deals? OK well, either get the evidence of about it.
weapons running is what is alleged by Seymour Hersh in "the red line and the rat line". Some highlights I posted earlier.

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The annex didn’t tell the whole story of what happened in Benghazi before the attack, nor did it explain why the American consulate was attacked. ‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’
The "annex" that is being refered to is a highly classified part of the benghazi report that was not made available to the public.

so here is where american's should be outraged:
1. US was moving Gadaffi's weapons from Libya to fighters in Syria as part of a back-channel arming of alqaeda insurgents
2. A us-ambassador was used as political cover for arms deals.
3. Government misled the American people on what was going on, and who was to blame.

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Old 05-01-2014, 05:09 PM   #18
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Of course you aren't. There isn't a Republican in the Whitehouse.
Yeah I know you want me to be but I'm not a cheerleader who just picks a side and only consumes media that supports my belief. That would be you.

If Jeb Bush wins and something like this happens I'd be yawning just the same. But of course we'd never get there because the MSM wouldn't blast with a non-scandal on full volume for 5 years trying to sway the outcome of a future election in their favor.

Before his cheating scandal, FNC reached out to Patreus and offered to be his "in house" if he ran for office. Show me the MSM equivalent of THAT.

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Old 05-01-2014, 05:12 PM   #19
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You don't get it; every news organization out there who leans towards the left is non-partisan...and EVERYTHING Fox news reports is bullshit, just like the Enquirer was full of it when they were reporting on Edwards. If you can villainize the source, you can ignore facts, evidence and testimony.
FoxNews is blatant right-wing propaganda. If Vox leans left it's a tiny bit. There's is an enormous gulf between the severity of the two.

But of course you can't see this because propaganda works.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:14 PM   #20
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Yeah I know you want me to be but I'm not a cheerleader who just picks a side and only consumes media that supports my belief. That would be you.
Ah that's just about everyone except the apolitical.
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Vox is absolutely not non-partisan, btw. Not arguing for or against the Benghazi issue, but your statement above is false.
Based on what? That Benghazi article is about as forgiving to right wing media as you can get w/o being one of them.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:20 PM   #22
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weapons running is what is alleged by Seymour Hersh in "the red line and the rat line". Some highlights I posted earlier.

Here is a direct quote


The "annex" that is being refered to is a highly classified part of the benghazi report that was not made available to the public.

so here is where american's should be outraged:
1. US was moving Gadaffi's weapons from Libya to fighters in Syria as part of a back-channel arming of alqaeda insurgents
2. A us-ambassador was used as political cover for arms deals.
3. Government misled the American people on what was going on, and who was to blame.
Assuming this is even true, have you been paying attention the last 50 years? This sounds like the exact same shit the CIA has been pulling forever. Why now is it the biggest scandal in history and not just some scurrilous crap the US is up to as usual?

How do you feel about US going to war in Iraq based on "curveball"'s tales of yellow cake uranium? Scandal or non-story?

Also what happened to being mad about the video excuse? Can you guys even stick to the same narrative on why this is such an outrage? Or are the details not important as long as BENGHAZI! and BAD!?
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weapons running is what is alleged by Seymour Hersh in "the red line and the rat line". Some highlights I posted earlier.

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The "annex" that is being refered to is a highly classified part of the benghazi report that was not made available to the public.

so here is where american's should be outraged:
1. US was moving Gadaffi's weapons from Libya to fighters in Syria as part of a back-channel arming of alqaeda insurgents
2. A us-ambassador was used as political cover for arms deals.
3. Government misled the American people on what was going on, and who was to blame.
maybe you're thinking of an appendix, the annex actually refers to the cia station that was also attacked...
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:24 PM   #24
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Ah that's just about everyone except the apolitical.
strawman!
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What difference does it make?

I think Hillary is going to find out.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:30 PM   #26
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What difference does it make?

I think Hillary is going to find out.
not really, it's like just about everything else involving hillary...

her supporters will dismiss all this partisan bullshit and her detractors will believe what they want regardless of the evidence...

no-one, at least not a significant number of people will change their votes based on this crap...

it's only a cover-up to those who already hate hillary almost as much as they hate obama...

in case it's not obvious, i think the whole deal is much ado about nothing and i do support our next president, and our first woman president, hillary rodham clinton...
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Assuming this is even true, have you been paying attention the last 50 years? This sounds like the exact same shit the CIA has been pulling forever.
agree. CIA needs accountability and oversight. they are lawless.

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Why now is it the biggest scandal in history and not just some scurrilous crap the US is up to as usual?
no one is saying that. That is a strawman you devised. But what happened in Benghazi should matter to every American because a US Ambassador was sacrificed.

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How do you feel about US going to war in Iraq based on "curveball"'s tales of yellow cake uranium? Scandal or non-story?
The justifications for war in Iraq is scandalous, but it was not just based on "yellow cake uranium." Part of it was based on WMDs which we knew that they had because the US is the one who gave them those (biological and chemical weapons for the Iran-Iraq wars). Other justifications was Iraq not honoring the UN mandated conditions after Gulf War I.

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maybe you're thinking of an appendix, the annex actually refers to the cia station that was also attacked...
nope. Please refer to "the rat line and the red line"
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A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafiís arsenals into Syria.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:34 PM   #28
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agree. CIA needs accountability and oversight. they are lawless.



no one is saying that. That is a strawman you devised. But what happened in Benghazi should matter to every American because a US Ambassador was sacrificed.



The justifications for war in Iraq is scandalous, but it was not just based on "yellow cake uranium." Part of it was based on WMDs which we knew that they had because the US is the one who gave them those (biological and chemical weapons for the Iran-Iraq wars). Other justifications was Iraq not honoring the UN mandated conditions after Gulf War I.



nope. Please refer to "the rat line and the red line"
so seymour can't use the english language properly instead of you...

sorry, i didn't realize you were quoting that liberal dog of a reporter who obviously is ignorant of proper grammar...
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so seymour can't use the english language properly instead of you...

sorry, i didn't realize you were quoting that liberal dog of a reporter who obviously is ignorant of proper grammar...
This is a journalist who broke the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam, broke the Abu Gharib torture scandel in Iraq, won the highest award in journalism the pultizer prize, revealed more on Israels secret nuclear program than anyone, and rightly called in his 2007 article "The Redirection" that the US was moving to side with the Saudi's and Jihadists in order to counter Iran, which they saw as a bigger threat.

He has a long and credible journalistic history.
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