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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 05:41 PM   #31
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But it will never be allowed to be that or whatever it actually is. Unless it is what the Rs want it to be, Rs will just keep saying that the "real" truth is being covered up.

And as for this "cover-up," I'm not really sure what is being covered up. Were they running a whorehouse there? Illegal weapons deals? OK well, either get the evidence of about it.
The initial reports were largely inaccurate and that is not in dispute. Unless you think this was a grass roots protest inspired by an anti-islam youtube video that only a few hundred people had seen. There is a lot of evidence that the truth was known and then the public intentionally misdirected. The lie only ended because they were called out on it and could not dispute the facts being argued. Why should I think this was the ONLY thing they lied to me on? They only changed the story because they got CAUGHT in an obvious and terribly planned out lie. Frankly, I'm just insulted they thought people would swallow that load of bull jizz.

If you cannot see the problem with that or how it sets a negative precedent, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't value honesty the same as I do. Party politics aside, they lied and you know it. Your only argument seems to be 'why should i care?" Some people do, and some people do not.

I'm not about witch hunts, but I'm 100% in support of government transparency. You, as I have gathered from your posts, are not really concerned with how much or why the government lies to you. "It's cool, it's for my own good" may work for some, but not I.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:43 PM   #32
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I'm not about witch hunts, but I'm 100% in support of government transparency. You, as I have gathered from your posts, are not.
same here. Too often investigations of failures are left highly classified only to be de-classified 50yrs later.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:43 PM   #33
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Unless you think this was a grass roots protest inspired by an anti-islam youtube video that only a few hundred people had seen.
There were protests all over the world about this video on the same day. This isn't even in dispute. Pretty sure more than a few hundred people saw it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:44 PM   #34
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The initial reports were largely inaccurate and that is not in dispute. Unless you think this was a grass roots protest inspired by an anti-islam youtube video that only a few hundred people had seen. There is a lot of evidence that the truth was known and then the public intentionally misdirected. The lie only ended because they were called out on it and could not dispute the facts being argued.

If you cannot see the problem with that or how it sets a negative precedent, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't value honesty the same as I do. Party politics aside, they lied and you know it. Your only argument seems to be 'why should i care?" Some people do, and some people do not.

I'm not about witch hunts, but I'm 100% in support of government transparency. You, as I have gathered from your posts, are not really concerned with how much or why the government lies to you. "It's cool, it's for my own good" may work for some, but not I.
So how do you feel about us going to war in Iraq and 5k Americans dying under completely false pretenses? Scandal or not?
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:45 PM   #35
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Two weeks after the attack, Obama still blaming the vid for the Benghazi attack.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:49 PM   #36
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He never says the video is responsible for Benghazi in that clip. He just says it sparked outrage, which it did.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:54 PM   #37
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He never says the video is responsible for Benghazi in that clip. He just says it sparked outrage, which it did.
This coming from the guy that started a thread saying, "Paul Ryan claims blacks are dumb and lazy."
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:54 PM   #38
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By the way, Senator Rand Paul directly asked Hillary Clinton if gun running was going on. She didnt deny it (nor confirm it). She said that he would have to ask the agency running the anex. 1

I think a lot about what happened in Benghazi could be cleared up by getting high ranking officials from the CIA under oath and asking them what the agency was doing there.
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same here. Too often investigations of failures are left highly classified only to be de-classified 50yrs later.
You know why?

Because all of the people who could be incriminated and sent to prison are dead.

Just like the Gulf of Tonkin. The conspiracy theorists were right. There was no 2nd attack. We were lied to. Nobody seemed to care 50 years later... except that vietnam vet friend of my father. He seemed pretty pissed. I wonder why?
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This coming from the guy that started a thread saying, "Paul Ryan claims blacks are dumb and lazy."
Weird non-sequitor even for you.
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Weird non-sequitor even for you.
No, not really. I mean you seem to be a stickler about people's actual words all of a sudden. Weird the way it fluctuated, huh?
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:59 PM   #42
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Based on what? That Benghazi article is about as forgiving to right wing media as you can get w/o being one of them.
Holy cow, you HONESTLY think Vox is nonpartisan. You are a joke. I bet you also think the DailyKOS is nonpartisan as well.
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So how do you feel about us going to war in Iraq and 5k Americans dying under completely false pretenses? Scandal or not?
I was vehemently opposed to it. I don't really feel like writing an essay about my beliefs on our conflict with the middle east or our foreign policy in general and saying too little would allow the many limited minds on this forum to badly misrepresent my beliefs.

This was quite a lame attempt at a 'gotcha' moment. It's a typical red herring as it's an attempt to change the subject. This isn't about Bush or his disastrous run as president. This is about a specific set of events in which he had nothing to do with. The fact that someone was permissive of the bush administration's actions does not, in any way, justify the actions of this administration. It just makes you the same type of party honk as those you oh so oppose.

I can't stand people who treat politics like it's a two team sport and you just root for your team no matter what.
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He never says the video is responsible for Benghazi in that clip. He just says it sparked outrage, which it did.
Nobody really knew about it until our government started talking about it...

It had barely been viewed.
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Holy cow, you HONESTLY think Vox is nonpartisan. You are a joke. I bet you also think the DailyKOS is nonpartisan as well.
I guess facts have a liberal bias. Again, please site something directly that you think betray's vox's liberal bias. Of course DailyKOS is not non-partisan. The two sites are nothing alike.

Ok what is non-partisan then? Does a site have to - let's say - pretend there's a possibility voter ID laws have anything to do with voter fraud - to be non-partisan in your eyes? Because that basically eliminates everyone outside the conservative media bubble.
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