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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 06:12 PM   #46
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Nobody really knew about it until our government started talking about it...

It had barely been viewed.
Egypt's media played it and a bunch of protests broke out. I think even FoxNews will admit to this.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:13 PM   #47
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Ok what is non-partisan then?
Well, nobody asked me but in my opinion there is no such thing. Anyone who claims to be such is merely admitting that they are liars.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:15 PM   #48
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Egypt's media played it and a bunch of protests broke out. I think even FoxNews will admit to this.
Nothing at the level you are thinking of. At all... or even remotely close.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:24 PM   #49
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I guess facts have a liberal bias. Again, please site something directly that you think betray's vox's liberal bias. Of course DailyKOS is not non-partisan. The two sites are nothing alike.

Ok what is non-partisan then? Does a site have to - let's say - pretend there's a possibility voter ID laws have anything to do with voter fraud - to be non-partisan in your eyes? Because that basically eliminates everyone outside the conservative media bubble.
You know who one of the founders is...
The UBER moron Matt Iglesias. You know.. this guy... https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...77513100984320

The other founders are KOS from the DailyKOS and that oh so non-partisan Ezra Klein.

BUT back to Iglesias.. that guy is as far left as they come... and not surprisingly he is a complete dipshit. When one of the site founders says it's ok to LIE to promote your liberal agenda... you have an issue...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/13/li...ng-on-twitter/
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:28 PM   #50
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You know who one of the founders is...
The UBER moron Matt Iglesias. You know.. this guy... https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...77513100984320

The other founders are KOS from the DailyKOS and that oh so non-partisan Ezra Klein.

BUT back to Iglesias.. that guy is as far left as they come... and not surprisingly he is a complete dipshit. When one of the site founders says it's ok to LIE to promote your liberal agenda... you have an issue...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/13/li...ng-on-twitter/
Awesome.

Of course, some people still say fox news is objective and they sued for the right to lie for that same purpose. They also WON that case and the right to lie to promote their agenda.

The sad thing is that you can't escape this. All you can do is read it from all of the angles and try and figure out the truth in between.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:29 PM   #51
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You know who one of the founders is...
The UBER moron Matt Iglesias. You know.. this guy... https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...77513100984320

The other founders are KOS from the DailyKOS and that oh so non-partisan Ezra Klein.

BUT back to Iglesias.. that guy is as far left as they come... and not surprisingly he is a complete dipshit. When one of the site founders says it's ok to LIE to promote your liberal agenda... you have an issue...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/13/li...ng-on-twitter/

Interesting article:

ďWhen [Yglesias] gets frustrated because he canít counter an argument, he calls people Ďdishonestí,Ē Lake said, also calling him ďa child.Ē

In concluding his interview with The Daily Caller, Yglesias said ďgo **** yourselfĒ and hung up the phone.
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Awesome.

Of course, some people still say fox news is objective and they sued for the right to lie for that same purpose. They also WON that case and the right to lie to promote their agenda.

The sad thing is that you can't escape this. All you can do is read it from all of the angles and try and figure out the truth in between.
Yeah. That's pretty much spot on.
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Nothing at the level you are thinking of. At all... or even remotely close.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09...ti-islam-film/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...158465768.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world/film-protests/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/widespre...i-muslim-film/
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:34 PM   #54
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You know who one of the founders is...
The UBER moron Matt Iglesias. You know.. this guy... https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...77513100984320

The other founders are KOS from the DailyKOS and that oh so non-partisan Ezra Klein.

BUT back to Iglesias.. that guy is as far left as they come... and not surprisingly he is a complete dipshit. When one of the site founders says it's ok to LIE to promote your liberal agenda... you have an issue...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/13/li...ng-on-twitter/
I'm basing my opinion on the content of vox.com, not the founders. From everything I've read the content has seemed pretty sober and non-partisan.

AGAIN - please point to liberal propaganda or anything obviously left-leaning on the site.

Maybe the founders just set out to create a site that reports facts - knowing that in this time of complete batshit insanity, where 40% of the population is under the spell of propaganda masquerading as news - facts are going to support the liberal side more often than not. What a diabolical plan.
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These stories (and if you read them, which I doubt, the protests started after the attack in Libya) all come after this current administration blamed the attacks on the video.

I'm arguing that we popularized the video, which was posted on July 1st and the protests started in mid september... after the embassy attack. I'm saying there were no or at most very small protests prior to that. Nothing here really disputes that. What was the point of posting these links?
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Awesome.

Of course, some people still say fox news is objective and they sued for the right to lie for that same purpose. They also WON that case and the right to lie to promote their agenda.

The sad thing is that you can't escape this. All you can do is read it from all of the angles and try and figure out the truth in between.
The "news" part of FoxNews isn't that much more biased towards the right than the msm is toward the left. They're in the same ballpark anyway. The bias is mostly in picking stories and lightly coloring them.

The real schism right now is the cult-of-personality pundits on FNC, talk radio, WSJ editorial page and whatever blog Drudge decides is worth linking to. There is no equivalent to that on the left. No one gives a shit about Maddow - not to the level of intensity and sheer numbers that you all gobble up everything the bubble feeds you. And even Maddow has much more journalistic integrity than Rush or Hannity.

I know you like to imagine there's this equal and opposite team on the other side. But there just isn't. Just a lot of people looking at 40% of the population and scratching their heads as to how otherwise decent intelligent people could be so caught up in obvious propaganda. Unfortunately the emotion center of the brain always wins out over the reason center. Conservative media is a case study in absolute mastery in playing on people's fears and emotions to generate a desired outcome.
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I'm basing my opinion on the content of vox.com, not the founders. From everything I've read the content has seemed pretty sober and non-partisan.

AGAIN - please point to liberal propaganda or anything obviously left-leaning on the site.

Maybe the founders just set out to create a site that reports facts - knowing that in this time of complete batshit insanity, where 40% of the population is under the spell of propaganda masquerading as news - facts are going to support the liberal side more often than not. What a diabolical plan.
It's not surprising at all that YOU think they present only "facts." You're as nutty as Iglesias. In your defense I don't think you are as stupid as he is. The only left leaning poster here off the top my head that qualifies for that title is Loneiguana.
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These stories (and if you read them, which I doubt, the protests started after the attack in Libya) all come after this current administration blamed the attacks on the video.

I'm arguing that we popularized the video, which was posted on July 1st and the protests started in mid september... after the embassy attack. I'm saying there were no or at most very small protests prior to that. Nothing here really disputes that. What was the point of posting these links?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ype=blogs&_r=0

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/an...film-protests/

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-islam-fil...010225564.html

aaaand here's Charles Krauthammer on FoxNews telling the Egyptian mobs that we should tell them to go to hell or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rotTvFNOXOw
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It's not surprising at all that YOU think they present only "facts." You're as nutty as Iglesias. In your defense I don't think you are as stupid as he is. The only left leaning poster here off the top my head that qualifies for that title is Loneiguana.
Again, please post one article you think is liberal biased.
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