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Old 05-01-2014, 02:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 07:52 PM   #61
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Yeah I know you want me to be but I'm not a cheerleader who just picks a side and only consumes media that supports my belief. That would be you.

If Jeb Bush wins and something like this happens I'd be yawning just the same. But of course we'd never get there because the MSM wouldn't blast with a non-scandal on full volume for 5 years trying to sway the outcome of a future election in their favor.

Before his cheating scandal, FNC reached out to Patreus and offered to be his "in house" if he ran for office. Show me the MSM equivalent of THAT.
MSN, CNN, CBS. They are Obama's "in house".
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:56 PM   #62
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The "news" part of FoxNews isn't that much more biased towards the right than the msm is toward the left. They're in the same ballpark anyway. The bias is mostly in picking stories and lightly coloring them.
They all get their news from the same sources... and all of those sources are owned by the same entity. Of course the 'news' isn't different. It's the presentation, the narrative, and of course the parts that are omitted.

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The real schism right now is the cult-of-personality pundits on FNC, talk radio, WSJ editorial page and whatever blog Drudge decides is worth linking to. There is no equivalent to that on the left. No one gives a shit about Maddow - not to the level of intensity and sheer numbers that you all gobble up everything the bubble feeds you. And even Maddow has much more journalistic integrity than Rush or Hannity.
You need to stop being so obtuse as to thinking that I'm part of this bubble. Insulting RW pundits and bobble heads doesn't bother me. It's just more lame ass attempts to bring me down to some party parroting level. Let's have a discussion and stop trying to toss people into categories. Try to learn and understand. If you do that, at least you can have honest disagreements with people instead of fabricating things to attack them over.

The fact that you believe that anything objective will always support your POV should be a red flag that perhaps you yourself are drinking some kool-aid.

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I know you like to imagine there's this equal and opposite team on the other side. But there just isn't. Just a lot of people looking at 40% of the population and scratching their heads as to how otherwise decent intelligent people could be so caught up in obvious propaganda. Unfortunately the emotion center of the brain always wins out over the reason center. Conservative media is a case study in absolute mastery in playing on people's fears and emotions to generate a desired outcome.
I think the democratic and republican party both target specific groups of people with specific values and ideals. You reject the ideals and values of others and thus view yours as 'right'. This is the one area where you and the right wingers are exactly the same. Everything is so simple... you see politics as a morality play.
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:58 PM   #63
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You showed me links from the same day. That's all I was asking for.

Reading the articles I'm not seeing a clear link provided that they were about the video and not simply anti-american protests on september 11th, but I have shit to do and I'll have to read them later. Seems like a lot of stuff that was probably planned out well in advance without much relation. Especially given the al-kay-duh flags that seem to be everywhere.

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Old 05-01-2014, 08:00 PM   #64
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Again, please post one article you think is liberal biased.
Jesus the site is FULL of them.. how about this one...
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/1/5671288/jobs-day-is-coming

The entire premise of the article is typical flawed liberal logic. If the new jobs report comes out and is bad.. it is the Federal Reserve's fault. Period, end of story.

Get ready for a bad jobs report and we have given you a non-liberal boogeyman to blame.

Yes, they aren't as in your face leftist as DailyKos.. they are worse. They pretend to be a source of "education" while committing lies of omission that support their agenda. It's actually a clever idea that should rope in plenty of ignorant and lazy people who won't bother doing any GENUINE research.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:02 PM   #65
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There were protests all over the world about this video on the same day. This isn't even in dispute. Pretty sure more than a few hundred people saw it.
As I said in my earlier post, which you chose to ignore, the protests weren't about this video. The protests were already planned ahead of time. It was 9/11 afterall.

Here's a pretty good read for you:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

Or maybe that's too conservative for you. Here is a link from USA Today for a year and a half ago that also says the protests weren't because of the youtube video.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ack/57752828/1

In my previous reply, I posted a video of a General in the area giving testimony before congress that they new right away this was a planned attack, not a protest gone awry.

Why are you still here arguing this? Aren't the rats supposed to abandon the sinking ship first?
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:03 PM   #66
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MSN, CNN, CBS. They are Obama's "in house".
They report negative stories about Obama, and positive stories about republicans all the time. When was the last time Fox reported one positive thing about Obama?
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:05 PM   #67
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As I said in my earlier post, which you chose to ignore, the protests weren't about this video. The protests were already planned ahead of time. It was 9/11 afterall.

Here's a pretty good read for you:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

Or maybe that's too conservative for you. Here is a link from USA Today for a year and a half ago that also says the protests weren't because of the youtube video.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ack/57752828/1

In my previous reply, I posted a video of a General in the area giving testimony before congress that they new right away this was a planned attack, not a protest gone awry.

Why are you still here arguing this? Aren't the rats supposed to abandon the sinking ship first?
What in the hell are you talking about? I posted a bunch of links from either before or while Benghazi was going on that shows there were significant protests. Even Krauthammer was calling them out - just so he could use a different angle against Obama - the whole apology thing, which they dropped when they found a new angle. All that matters to them, all that ever matters to them, is to immediately find an angle to blame Obama anytime anything bad happens in the world.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:06 PM   #68
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Vox.com is non-partisan and strives very hard to be fact-based, and always gives both sides of the story:
http://www.vox.com/cards/benghazi-am...tack/innocence
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:06 PM   #69
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They all get their news from the same sources... and all of those sources are owned by the same entity. Of course the 'news' isn't different. It's the presentation, the narrative, and of course the parts that are omitted.



You need to stop being so obtuse as to thinking that I'm part of this bubble. Insulting RW pundits and bobble heads doesn't bother me. It's just more lame ass attempts to bring me down to some party parroting level. Let's have a discussion and stop trying to toss people into categories. Try to learn and understand. If you do that, at least you can have honest disagreements with people instead of fabricating things to attack them over.

The fact that you believe that anything objective will always support your POV should be a red flag that perhaps you yourself are drinking some kool-aid.



I think the democratic and republican party both target specific groups of people with specific values and ideals. You reject the ideals and values of others and thus view yours as 'right'. This is the one area where you and the right wingers are exactly the same. Everything is so simple... you see politics as a morality play.
Yeah I'm mostly thinking of right-wing talking point parroters like jjjayb. I don't lump you in with them.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:23 PM   #70
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Yeah I'm mostly thinking of right-wing talking point parroters like jjjayb. I don't lump you in with them.
Please do not.

I will say this... the democrats have a much more effective propaganda delivery system so I wouldn't worry too much about the pundits.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:23 PM   #71
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Jesus the site is FULL of them.. how about this one...
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/1/5671288/jobs-day-is-coming

The entire premise of the article is typical flawed liberal logic. If the new jobs report comes out and is bad.. it is the Federal Reserve's fault. Period, end of story.

Get ready for a bad jobs report and we have given you a non-liberal boogeyman to blame.

Yes, they aren't as in your face leftist as DailyKos.. they are worse. They pretend to be a source of "education" while committing lies of omission that support their agenda. It's actually a clever idea that should rope in plenty of ignorant and lazy people who won't bother doing any GENUINE research.
I really don't get why you think that's so biased. Read the rest of that article and it's nothing but facts. Then at the end this is the summary.

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What's the best way to read the jobs report?

The most solid piece of information in any monthly jobs report is the revisions made to the previous two months' data. So the best way to tell whether the news is bad or good is to look at those. An upward revision is better than a downward revision, of course, but it's actually where the revisions end up that matters. If the jobs report tells you that the economy added a lot of jobs two months ago, that's a solid datapoint that you can take to the bank.

On the household survey, the unemployment rate is obviously interesting. But in some ways it's even more illuminating to look at the size of the labor force. To an extent this is driven by broad social and demographic trends. But on a month-to-month basis, a strong economy should be pulling more people into the labor force while a weak economy pushes them into early retirement or extra years of school. Since it's the existence of data on the size of the labor force that makes the household survey valuable, you might as well zero-in on that.
You could read that in the WSJ and not bat an eye.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:31 PM   #72
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They report negative stories about Obama, and positive stories about republicans all the time. When was the last time Fox reported one positive thing about Obama?
How can you report on what hasn't happened? The man is a pure dip shit, a liar, and a racist ****. It's not easy to be intellectually honest and say he's easy to promote. He may have a dream of creating fantasy land, like all 17-year-old kids who suck off mommy's tit, but at his age he's supposed to have out-grown that kind of greasy kid shit.
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What in the hell are you talking about? I posted a bunch of links from either before or while Benghazi was going on that shows there were significant protests. Even Krauthammer was calling them out - just so he could use a different angle against Obama - the whole apology thing, which they dropped when they found a new angle. All that matters to them, all that ever matters to them, is to immediately find an angle to blame Obama anytime anything bad happens in the world.

The protests in Cairo were already planned well before the video got released. Our government knew about the planned protests well in advance of the youtube video being released. There were warnings of attacks on the Embassy in Cairo during the protests before the video even got released.

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The protest was planned by Salafists well before news circulated of an objectionable video ridiculing Islam's prophet, Mohammed, said Eric Trager, an expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

The protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo was announced Aug. 30 by Jamaa Islamiya, a State Department-designated terrorist group, to protest the ongoing imprisonment of its spiritual leader, Sheikh Omar abdel Rahman. He is serving a life sentence in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

When the shit hit the fan in Benghazi, we new early on during the attacks that they were a planned attack that had nothing to do with the protests in Cairo. We have sworn testimony before congress supporting that.

Were there protests in Cairo? Yes. Were they because of the video? No. The protests were already planned in advance of the video. The protests were about the release of the blind sheik. Sure, they could use the video to add fuel to the fire. But it was already going to happen and we knew it.

Was the attack in Benghazi because of the youtube video? No. We knew before the attack was even over that it had nothing to do with the video. That it was a coordinated terror attack.

So knowing this, how could we say this attack was due to "spontaneous protests over a youtube video"?
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The "news" part of FoxNews isn't that much more biased towards the right than the msm is toward the left. They're in the same ballpark anyway. The bias is mostly in picking stories and lightly coloring them.

The real schism right now is the cult-of-personality pundits on FNC, talk radio, WSJ editorial page and whatever blog Drudge decides is worth linking to. There is no equivalent to that on the left. No one gives a shit about Maddow - not to the level of intensity and sheer numbers that you all gobble up everything the bubble feeds you. And even Maddow has much more journalistic integrity than Rush or Hannity.

I know you like to imagine there's this equal and opposite team on the other side. But there just isn't. Just a lot of people looking at 40% of the population and scratching their heads as to how otherwise decent intelligent people could be so caught up in obvious propaganda. Unfortunately the emotion center of the brain always wins out over the reason center. Conservative media is a case study in absolute mastery in playing on people's fears and emotions to generate a desired outcome.
And, the women on Fox News are HOT! That's a good thing! It's a trip back to better times like when the ladies on a plane were stewardesses, and the lady who worked for you was a secretary.

Like today when that one guy on Fox was surrounded by four hot chicks in fitted dresses. Yeah, I'll take that any day.
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There were protests all over the world about this video on the same day. This isn't even in dispute. Pretty sure more than a few hundred people saw it.
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