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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 09:50 PM   #91
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If they would've done the right thing and had the seals come in and rescue them they could have looked forceful.

They chose the lie.

It would make the office more repected around the world and at home.

They chose the lie.

It would be doing the right thing.

They chose the lie.

It would help their own party win seats in the House and Senate.

They chose the lie.
if the seals had come in, from where?

where were they located and how long would it have taken them to get there?

and what source do you have for this allegation?
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:51 PM   #92
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And so the rationale for why "they chose the lie" is what?
They didn't want all those things you mentioned?
not a schmig of denial with this one
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:52 PM   #93
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if the seals had come in, from where?

where were they located and how long would it have taken them to get there?

and what source do you have for this allegation?
IIRC? Estimate TOA was around 4 hours, for fighter aircraft
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:55 PM   #94
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And so the rationale for why "they chose the lie" is what?
They didn't want all those things you mentioned?
One rationale I've seen proposed is that the administration wanted to maintain the appearance of success in the "war on terror." Also that it was politically expedient for the Democratic party to project an image of inclusiveness to appeal to its base. So it was viewed by the administration as productive to spin the situation as a reaction to an "islamophobic" video, thus allowing them to go after the offending creator of said video. The thinking is that they become portrayed as heroically defending progressive liberalism.
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IIRC? Estimate TOA was around 4 hours, for fighter aircraft
no, he claimed seals could have gone in and saved them, not fighter jets, the closest of which were in italy...

is he suggesting that obama wanted the guys dead, so he withheld help after planning and executing the raid using democratic national convention staffers?
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no, he claimed seals could have gone in and saved them, not fighter jets, the closest of which were in italy...

is he suggesting that obama wanted the guys dead, so he withheld help after planning and executing the raid using democratic national convention staffers?
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what?

the part about using democratic national convention staffers too much?
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not a schmig of denial with this one
What? He listed all these reasons they should have sent in the SEALS. So why wouldn't they do so? What reason would there be to not save those people if they could have been saved?
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What? He listed all these reasons they should have sent in the SEALS. So why wouldn't they do so? What reason would there be to not save those people if they could have been saved?
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One rationale I've seen proposed is that the administration wanted to maintain the appearance of success in the "war on terror." Also that it was politically expedient for the Democratic party to project an image of inclusiveness to appeal to its base. So it was viewed by the administration as productive to spin the situation as a reaction to an "islamophobic" video, thus allowing them to go after the offending creator of said video. The thinking is that they become portrayed as heroically defending progressive liberalism.
He said the right thing to do was to rescue the people who were killed, but instead they chose to lie.

If we're going to reduce this to only political motives, I think it is obvious that rescueing the people if it was possible to do so would have been a far greater outcome for the administration than the supposed plan of letting them die and blaming a video.

How would letting them die be better for the administration that saving them?
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I guess life isn't precious to one party, sad.
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Even if we were to believe the RWNJ narrative that he truly didn't give a shit about their lives, it just doesn't make any sense politically to have them die. Even if just purely for selfish reasons, he would have tried to save them if he could. If they don't die, certainly this story doesn't live on for years like it has.
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SCANDAL

What's funny is that you would have to go back a ways to find a presidency with less true "scandals" than this one.

The last guy, among many other things, started a whole goddam war based on claims that weren't true.
The guy before that is an intern.
You have to have a really low bar for what is a "scandal" or have a really short memory.
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