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Old 05-01-2014, 02:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 11:42 PM   #106
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He said the right thing to do was to rescue the people who were killed, but instead they chose to lie.

If we're going to reduce this to only political motives, I think it is obvious that rescueing the people if it was possible to do so would have been a far greater outcome for the administration than the supposed plan of letting them die and blaming a video.

How would letting them die be better for the administration that saving them?
Just off the top of my head: One of the ways that this could have been handled differently would have been for a stronger military presence to be installed at the embassy. There were calls from the embassy to increase security in this way before the event. Such a move would most likely have been noted and reported, then commented on, prior to the elections. That fits the notion that the administration wanted to portray the "war on terror" as a success, that forces weren't needed because the embassy was safe and secure. A lot of this was covered in the giant Benghazi thread already.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:47 PM   #107
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Just off the top of my head: One of the ways that this could have been handled differently would have been for a stronger military presence to be installed at the embassy. There were calls from the embassy to increase security in this way before the event. Such a move would most likely have been noted and reported, then commented on, prior to the elections. That fits the notion that the administration wanted to portray the "war on terror" as a success, that forces weren't needed because the embassy was safe and secure. A lot of this was covered in the giant Benghazi thread already.
So...how does those people dying help Obama vs. trying to rescue them.

I feel like we're talking about two different things. "Letting" them die sure doesn't portray the embassy as safe and secure. Having them die is the worst of all possible outcomes.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:01 AM   #108
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So...how does those people dying help Obama vs. trying to rescue them.

I feel like we're talking about two different things. "Letting" them die sure doesn't portray the embassy as safe and secure. Having them die is the worst of all possible outcomes.
They portrayed the situation as if it were a protest that got out of hand, near a structure that shouldn't have had to be more heavily defended, as part of a process that was so volatile that it was impossible to prepare for or react to. Thus relieving them of responsibility for taking action of any kind. None of those things are true.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:06 AM   #109
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Wow this thing is really blowing up right now.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:08 AM   #110
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:12 AM   #112
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They portrayed the situation as if it were a protest that got out of hand, near a structure that shouldn't have had to be more heavily defended, as part of a process that was so volatile that it was impossible to prepare for or react to. Thus relieving them of responsibility for taking action of any kind. None of those things are true.
So...saving the people would have been worse than having them die?
That makes no sense.
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Wow this thing is really blowing up right now.
Its bigger then Nixon's Watergate,people dies. With plenty more emails ect, supposedly to be released. Cosmo can say what ever It want's.Because (It) is a hack & Livesteams KIN are at the Bundy ranch.
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Its bigger then Nixon's Watergate,people dies. With plenty more emails ect, supposedly to be released. Cosmo can say what ever It want's.Because (It) is a hack & Livesteams KIN are at the Bundy ranch.
wow, you have KIN at the bundy ranch???

was it your nieces at the front of the confrontation so they could be killed first?

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The cultural implications of this are bigger than anybody realizes right now. People who hate Fox news should be absolutely livid because Obama just bought them a decade of credibility. The rest of the media is seriously caught flat footed on this, and Fox is going to take this story to the marketing bank.

This also squashes the Hillary candidacy. She's finished. Not only does this look bad for her, but the media backlash on this thing is going to be immense. I wouldn't want to be a democrat president in the environment that we're about to see. No wonder she's been so stand offish. But now she's got to find a way to bow out gracefully in a way that doesn't look like it's tied to this mess. GFL.
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So...saving the people would have been worse than having them die?
That makes no sense.
I just gave you one example of the rationale for inaction. If you ignore that rationale then it isn't going to make sense to you.
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This also squashes the Hillary candidacy. She's finished. Not only does this look bad for her, but the media backlash on this thing is going to be immense. I wouldn't want to be a democrat president in the environment that we're about to see. No wonder she's been so stand offish. But now she's got to find a way to bow out gracefully in a way that doesn't look like it's tied to this mess. GFL.
Is it possible to tie Jeb Bush into this mess somehow That would be a lie I am willing to accept
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wow, you have KIN at the bundy ranch???

was it your nieces at the front of the confrontation so they could be killed first?

or maybe your cousins? the ones with the big dicks, er i mean guns?
His cousin is playing pretend army man out there.
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His cousin is playing pretend army man out there.
& you're playing pretend Heterosexual here
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