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Old 05-01-2014, 01:11 PM  
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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

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Why Benghazi should matter to every American

The mainstream media declared the Benghazi story insignificant long ago. To the extent it is covered, the focus is usually on the horrific and unnecessary deaths of four Americans. The Obama administration dismisses it as a lot of fuss about a few silly talking points.

But everybody is missing the big-picture story of the Benghazi affair and its cover-up. Itís about the White House using the intelligence community for its own political purposes, and lying to the American public in order to win an election. Itís about abuse of power, and that is a big deal.

Thatís why the administration cannot be allowed to investigate itself. Thatís why it is time for Congress to appoint a special committee to get to the bottom of the story.

Benghazi is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about.

If it turns out that Benghazi and the cover-up were just a series of junior level mistakes, that is the end of it. But if it turns out the administration was using the military and intelligence communities for political purposes prior to the attack, during the attack and in a subsequent cover-up, it must be held accountable. Because once the precedent is set, future administrations will feel no reluctance to do the same.

America has the most powerful military and intelligence services in the world, probably in the history of the world. They have an infrastructure that endures separately and beyond any administration or politician.

At the same time, the military-intelligence complex takes its orders from the American people, through their elected/appointed representatives in the White House and Cabinet.

Itís a sacred trust at the heart of our Constitution, as set out in civilian control of the military. But it comes at a price Ė that our civilian leaders do not abuse that power and bend the military and intelligence communities to do their political dirty work.

The president doesnít order the military to seize political opponents. He doesnít order his intelligence community to lie about national security for political purposes. He uses the military or intelligence communities to protect the United States and our citizens, not to help him win elections.

Thatís the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up. The White House twisted intelligence to suit its political needs.

I was part of the Nixon administration during Watergate. I was a junior staffer on the National Security Council and helped keep the classified files. At the heart of the Watergate investigation was the presidentís abuse of power Ė secretly using the intelligence community for political purposes and then using the intelligence community for cover when it became public.

It was a difficult time for the nation, and certainly for anyone in the White House. But it was necessary, especially in hindsight. It wasnít just about a president lying to the American people. It was a check on the seemingly unlimited power of the president to use the military and civilian career government bureaucracy for his own political goals.

It is now incumbent on the congressional leadership to act. There have been countless hearings into Benghazi by numerous congressional committees, but none have had subpoena power to demand the paper trail, or to force government workers to testify about what they knew and when they knew it.

The questions at the heart of the Benghazi scandal and cover-up are specifically:

1. Did the White House fail to provide adequate security at the Benghazi consulate because it didnít want to acknowledge that a terrorist threat remained, even though Bin Laden was dead?

2. Did the White House order the intelligence community to change its analysis so the president could claim his policy was a success, rather than a failure, just a few weeks before an election?

3. And, finally, what was the relationship between an overzealous White House staff and the president himself? What did the president know, and when did he know it?

This is no longer just a political issue. Itís not just a partisan witch hunt. It goes to the heart of what our system of government is all about. Thatís why itís time for Congress to act and create a bipartisan special committee to get to the bottom of this, once and for all.

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Old 05-01-2014, 11:42 PM   #121
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I just gave you one example of the rationale for inaction. If you ignore that rationale then it isn't going to make sense to you.
And you believe that the rationale you presented creates a better situation politically for Obama than if those people were rescued?

We wouldn't even be talking about this at all now if those people had not been killed. Not talking about it because no one was killed seems like a much better situation for Obama.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:45 PM   #122
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Seriously, what the hell is he doing there? He's defending Bundy's cows?
He has nothing better to do than to make sure someone breaking the law gets to continue breaking the law?
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:50 PM   #123
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And you believe that the rationale you presented creates a better situation politically for Obama than if those people were rescued?

We wouldn't even be talking about this at all now if those people had not been killed. Not talking about it because no one was killed seems like a much better situation for Obama.
You mean would it be better for Obama if everyone just believed the lie that those deaths could not have been avoided? Sure, it would better for his entire administration if everyone just bought the official story.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:50 PM   #124
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Seriously, what the hell is he doing there? He's defending Bundy's cows?
He has nothing better to do than to make sure someone breaking the law gets to continue breaking the law?
Yup, & having a great time in the process. I dnt think money will ever be an issue for him,his family is loaded, so work doesn't come into play.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:50 PM   #125
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And you believe that the rationale you presented creates a better situation politically for Obama than if those people were rescued?

We wouldn't even be talking about this at all now if those people had not been killed. Not talking about it because no one was killed seems like a much better situation for Obama.

However you want to rationalize this, it will shake out the way these things always do: the cover up is the crime. This is going to get freaking UGLY though because in this case the cover-up makes it look like Obama willfully let Americans die for political reasons.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:51 PM   #126
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"Hours before the Benghazi attack, hundreds of mainly ultraconservative Islamist protesters in Egypt marched to the U.S. Embassy in downtown Cairo, gathering outside its walls and chanting against the movie and the U.S."

Link? Let me guess MSNBC or New York Times.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:53 PM   #127
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And if you believed the covered up the email because they didn't think it was a smoking gun, you're kidding yourself. However you want to rationalize this, it will shake out the way these things always do: the cover up is the crime. This is going to get freaking UGLY though because in this case the cover-up makes it look like Obama willfully let Americans die for political reasons.
It is kind of funny. I mean, they very obviously lied. They admitted that they lied. There is proof that they lied. What is one to think? That they lied to make themselves look worse?
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You mean would it be better for Obama if everyone just believed the lie that those deaths could not have been avoided? Sure, it would better for his entire administration if everyone just bought the official story.
No.
The accusation is that he "let" the people die. The post to which I was responding said he chose to lie rather than rescue them, even though rescuing them would have been benficial to Obama and the Ds.

So I asked--If rescuing would have been better, why wouldn't he have done that? Why would he "choose to lie" rather than rescue, which obviously would have been better for him?
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However you want to rationalize this, it will shake out the way these things always do: the cover up is the crime. This is going to get freaking UGLY though because in this case the cover-up makes it look like Obama willfully let Americans die for political reasons.
next up will be arms trafficking, thats when shit blows up for Obama
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No.
The accusation is that he "let" the people die. The post to which I was responding said he chose to lie rather than rescue them, even though rescuing them would have been benficial to Obama and the Ds.

So I asked--If rescuing would have been better, why wouldn't he have done that? Why would he "choose to lie" rather than rescue, which obviously would have been better for him?
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However you want to rationalize this, it will shake out the way these things always do: the cover up is the crime. This is going to get freaking UGLY though because in this case the cover-up makes it look like Obama willfully let Americans die for political reasons.
Again, the question no one can answer--
How does letting them die benefit him politically versus rescuing them?

You're going to have to explain why savnig their lives would have hurt him politically compared to having them die.
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No.
The accusation is that he "let" the people die. The post to which I was responding said he chose to lie rather than rescue them, even though rescuing them would have been beneficial to Obama and the Ds.

So I asked--If rescuing would have been better, why wouldn't he have done that? Why would he "choose to lie" rather than rescue, which obviously would have been better for him?
Do you recall how the event was characterized by the administration the evening that it happened?
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:20 AM   #134
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No.
The accusation is that he "let" the people die. The post to which I was responding said he chose to lie rather than rescue them, even though rescuing them would have been benficial to Obama and the Ds.

So I asked--If rescuing would have been better, why wouldn't he have done that? Why would he "choose to lie" rather than rescue, which obviously would have been better for him?
Well, if the testimony given means anything, it seems they were "warned, and warned, and warned, and warned" they didn't do anything in response to those multiple warnings:

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Old 05-02-2014, 12:25 AM   #135
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This also squashes the Hillary candidacy. She's finished.
You do this a lot. You take something and make these grand conclusions from it that don't really pan out. Especially when it comes to Presidential races.

But I suppose it is that time that I need to prepare for...when every single thing that happens is a game-changer™.
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