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Old 05-02-2014, 09:27 AM  
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Dude - that was like two years ago!

We really have people working in the White House that call people "dude"?

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Old 05-02-2014, 01:25 PM   #16
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So the 5k lost in Iraq, or these guys - don't matter to you?

I actually think it's kind of disgusting that Americans dying in the middle east only seem to matter to republicans when there's political gain to be had from it. When Fox trots out a dead seal's grieving father to bash Obama - doesn't much more cynical than that.
That's a pretty ridiculous take. Whether you agree with him or not, no one should doubt GWBush's seriousness when it came to defending the US from radical islamists. With Obama, on the other hand, it's hard to know whether he wants to thwart radical islamists or make pals out of them and it's abundantly clear that his overriding foreign policy philosophy has had more to do with political self-interest than US interest.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:29 PM   #17
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Who lied or tried to cover up that 4 Americans died? Obama called it an act of terror from day 1. You guys are grasping at straws.
The issue wrt "act of terror" is the difference between a generic spontaneous act of terror by unknown savages who are easily outraged and a coordinated act of terror by affiliates of the people the administration wanted us to believe had been largely neutralized.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:32 PM   #18
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Still waiting to hear if any one you give a shit about all those other dead Americans that don't potentially result in direct political gain for your party.

I guess I have my answer.
I think it's pretty outrageous that President Obama decided to abandon our Iraqi effort, thereby squandering our hard won gains and degrading the sacrifice made by those 5k Americans. But it was good politics for him, so he couldn't resist.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:40 PM   #19
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i think it's pretty outrageous that obama took so long to get us the **** out of iraq and is taking so long to get the **** out of afghanistan...
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:50 PM   #20
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Just another decade or two in Iraq and we might have found those WMDs! #patience
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:51 PM   #21
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Obama called it an act of terror from day 1. You guys are grasping at straws.
He included it in "acts of terror" statement but didn't call it one directly...and day after day called it a spontaneous demonstration in reaction to a video...even in front of the United Nations assembly. Talk about grasping.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:52 PM   #22
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i think it's pretty outrageous that obama took so long to get us the **** out of iraq and is taking so long to get the **** out of afghanistan...
I miss the body counts on the nightly news that were a staple when Bush was in office. For some reason those pretty much evaporated after 2008.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:55 PM   #23
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I'm pretty outraged at all of our elected representatives on both sides of the isle. And pretty outraged at how most Americans justify criminal behavior from our politicians because the other side did it too.

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Old 05-02-2014, 02:01 PM   #24
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i think it's pretty outrageous that obama took so long to get us the **** out of iraq and is taking so long to get the **** out of afghanistan...
No shit... And GITMO was a gem for him too..
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:29 PM   #25
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Saying he called it an Act of terror from day one is not how most people took it but, to be fair he did say acts of terror at some point in his speach. Unfortunately If you choose to interpret it as you say, then having people run all over the Morning talk shows blaming it on a video hurts not helps his case in the honesty department. Speaking of that I started Checking the 60-0 thing above. It has been like 12 years dude so I had to go back and look stuff up. Got through the first 3 none of which were correct and moved on.

This case is a little different in that it went on for many hours instead of your typical car bombing type and as such does deserve some answers as to why no help was sent and reports were ignored but I realize we can't do everything and be in all places at the same time.

It is not that they screwed up and people died, that happens, has happened and will happen again. It is just going so far out of their way to lie about it and avoid the responsibility that comes with the Job of POTUS. . The country has shown itself to be very forgiving of Presidents when something goes south taking the responsibility for it. The Bay of Pigs is good example.

It was just an example of politicians being arrogant, dishonest people that feel they can say anything , do anything, and there will be no consequences. They were also probably a little embarrassed about how many times the left had bragged about decimating the terrorists and killing OBL just days before. Again things like this happen and administrations do many deceitful things but there was a day when the media was around to help keep an eye on the Government. They don't seem to want to cause a fuss. Hell in the beginning they were too Kind to Bush but eventually went after him like a pack of wolves. It might happen again.

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Old 05-02-2014, 02:43 PM   #26
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i think it's pretty outrageous that obama took so long to get us the **** out of iraq and is taking so long to get the **** out of afghanistan...
It just goes to show that there's something about Obama that we can all be outraged about.
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:53 PM   #27
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There's something about Obama that we can all be outraged about.
one size fits all?

obama never learned the ropes as a politician and he still doesn't do a good job of governing in terms of political realities...

take away david axlerod and some of the other campaign gurus and obama doesn't get elected at all...

unfortunately for him, governing requires more than campaigning...

i'd rate him overall as relatively ineffective as a president, although i heartily support many of his policy prescriptions in areas like immigration, non-enforcement of marijuana laws in states with legal pot (medical or recreational), marriage equality and his efforts to pass equal pay legislation...

but even after 6 years, he is still politically naive and out of his league on the world stage...
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:55 PM   #28
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That's a pretty ridiculous take. Whether you agree with him or not, no one should doubt GWBush's seriousness when it came to defending the US from radical islamists. With Obama, on the other hand, it's hard to know whether he wants to thwart radical islamists or make pals out of them and it's abundantly clear that his overriding foreign policy philosophy has had more to do with political self-interest than US interest.
Yea, just ignore the shit load of drone strikes and the killing of Osama.
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:58 PM   #29
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That's a pretty ridiculous take. Whether you agree with him or not, no one should doubt GWBush's seriousness when it came to defending the US from radical islamists. With Obama, on the other hand, it's hard to know whether he wants to thwart radical islamists or make pals out of them and it's abundantly clear that his overriding foreign policy philosophy has had more to do with political self-interest than US interest.
This is ridiculous. Obama has been droning the shit out of terrorists all over the place and killed OBL. GWB had 9/11, and a ton more attacks on our interests around the world than Obama. Everyone of those links I posted probably could have been turned into another "Benghazi" if they happened right before an election and GWB had a propaganda network who 40% of the population take as religious gospel hell bent on his destruction.

Or does your only metric for "serious on terrorism" = # of quagmire wars, some trumped up on phony charges?
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Yea, just ignore the shit load of drone strikes and the killing of Osama.
Those were both included in my post.
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