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Old 05-02-2014, 09:27 AM  
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Dude - that was like two years ago!

We really have people working in the White House that call people "dude"?

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Old 05-02-2014, 03:10 PM   #31
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This is ridiculous. Obama has been droning the shit out of terrorists all over the place and killed OBL. GWB had 9/11, and a ton more attacks on our interests around the world than Obama. Everyone of those links I posted probably could have been turned into another "Benghazi" if they happened right before an election and GWB had a propaganda network who 40% of the population take as religious gospel hell bent on his destruction.

Or does your only metric for "serious on terrorism" = # of quagmire wars, some trumped up on phony charges?
Let's compare the Bush decision to authorize the surge knowing that it would be an unpopular decision and politically dangerous (national interests trumping politics) to the way Obama dealt with Benghazi (politics trumping everything). That's a big part of what I'm talking about when I use the word "serious".
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:33 PM   #32
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Republican or Democrat. These politicians care NOTHING about anything if there is nothing for them to specifically gain from it. Eff poli-tricks!
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:39 PM   #33
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Let's compare the Bush decision to authorize the surge knowing that it would be an unpopular decision and politically dangerous (national interests trumping politics) to the way Obama dealt with Benghazi (politics trumping everything). That's a big part of what I'm talking about when I use the word "serious".
Did you just compare a military action in response to the serve mismanagement of "mission accomplished" and failed nation building by said military to political talking points over an embassy attack?

And that's your justification for saying the administration that didn't care about actually going after Osama, cared more for fighting terrorism than enriching the pockets of no bid private military contractors?
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:33 PM   #34
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Did you just compare a military action in response to the serve mismanagement of "mission accomplished" and failed nation building by said military to political talking points over an embassy attack?
I just compared a President who put the nation and his troops' mission ahead of his and his party's political interest with a President who apparently jeopardized his diplomats and certainly misled the public about their deaths for personal political gain.

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And that's your justification for saying the administration that didn't care about actually going after Osama, cared more for fighting terrorism than enriching the pockets of no bid private military contractors?
Your sources are worse than BEP's.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:39 PM   #35
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I think it's pretty outrageous that President Obama decided to abandon our Iraqi effort, thereby squandering our hard won gains and degrading the sacrifice made by those 5k Americans. But it was good politics for him, so he couldn't resist.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:46 PM   #36
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Yeah thanks, I made it 32 seconds into this joke before I had to stop it.

This guys tells were ALL bad, if I were a mob boss interrogating him... concrete shoes, coytins, pal... holy crap, thanks for making the rat so easy to find.

Swallowing hard as the hard question hits home, the rolling of the eyes... man, **** this guy, this was a school in body language, even the voice inflection is that higher register "ok you got me, but..."

FOX sure as SHIT isnt my only media source, but they're my only "MSM" source, and they busted this wet behind the ears tool bag... he made me hate this admin even more.

Thats hard to do, he doesnt even know what he's really defending or saying IMO, I'm almost sure of it... a paid stooge, a noob car salesman saying whatever he's supposed to say, in his mind.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:26 PM   #37
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Yeah thanks, I made it 32 seconds into this joke before I had to stop it.

This guys tells were ALL bad, if I were a mob boss interrogating him... concrete shoes, coytins, pal... holy crap, thanks for making the rat so easy to find.

Swallowing hard as the hard question hits home, the rolling of the eyes... man, **** this guy, this was a school in body language, even the voice inflection is that higher register "ok you got me, but..."

FOX sure as SHIT isnt my only media source, but they're my only "MSM" source, and they busted this wet behind the ears tool bag... he made me hate this admin even more.

Thats hard to do, he doesnt even know what he's really defending or saying IMO, I'm almost sure of it... a paid stooge, a noob car salesman saying whatever he's supposed to say, in his mind.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:34 PM   #38
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So the 5k lost in Iraq, or these guys - don't matter to you?

I actually think it's kind of disgusting that Americans dying in the middle east only seem to matter to republicans when there's political gain to be had from it. When Fox trots out a dead seal's grieving father to bash Obama - doesn't much more cynical than that.
There is so much willful fail and faux self righteous garbage in this post. You're a sick sack of crap there amigo. Why don't you just go back to your Government issued pod and shelter in place. Useful idiot be thy name.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:59 PM   #39
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:14 AM   #40
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I just compared a President who put the nation and his troops' mission ahead of his and his party's political interest with a President who apparently jeopardized his diplomats and certainly misled the public about their deaths for personal political gain.
Having to launch the surge in response to the Administrations failings in Iraq is not putting the troops mission ahead of his political interests.

And how did the President jeopardize diplomats? It was Congress that voted to cut back security funding.

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Your sources are worse than BEP's.
The source for saying the Bush Administration doesn't care about Osama comes from Bush himself.

George W. Bush said about Osama "He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

And its public knowledge the looting private companies did of the treasury.
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:54 AM   #41
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:51 PM   #42
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:50 PM   #43
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That's a pretty ridiculous take. Whether you agree with him or not, no one should doubt GWBush's seriousness when it came to defending the US from radical islamists. With Obama, on the other hand, it's hard to know whether he wants to thwart radical islamists or make pals out of them and it's abundantly clear that his overriding foreign policy philosophy has had more to do with political self-interest than US interest.
Hasn't the majority of Obama's foreign policy must been carrying out or extending Bush policy?

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:55 PM   #44
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Hang the majority of Obama's foreign policy must been carrying out or extending Bush policy?
I'm not sure I understand your post, but if you're saying what I think you're saying, the answer is no.
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I just compared a President who put the nation and his troops' mission ahead of his and his party's political interest with a President who apparently jeopardized his diplomats and certainly misled the public about their deaths for personal political gain.



Your sources are worse than BEP's.
He put his personal interests above the entire countries when he invaded Iraq...
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