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Old 05-05-2014, 08:54 PM  
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County In Virginia To Consider Regulating Group Assembly In Private Homes

Group Assembly in Residential Dwellings



Over the last several years, there have been complaints from residents regarding frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes. These gatherings can create parking, noise, and other concerns for the neighborhood. Although occasional, large gatherings - such as private parties, house concerts, religious meetings and social clubs - are expected and permissible activities at a home, gatherings that occur on a regular basis involving numerous people can detract from the residential nature of a neighborhood because most residential structures and neighborhoods are not designed to accommodate such events.

Accordingly, it is recommended that language be added to the Zoning Ordinance to define what is a permissible "group assembly," and when associated with a residence, when such a group assembly is an appropriate "accessory use." Currently, the Zoning Ordinance does not identify guidelines for the frequency or scale at which group assembly is considered to be a permitted accessory use to a dwelling. Without such specificity, managing and addressing impacts of these large, frequent gatherings becomes problematic, and the County is limited in its ability to respond to neighborhood concerns.

On February 18, 2014, Zoning Administration and Code Compliance staff presented the Board of Supervisors' Development Process Committee (Committee) with draft Zoning Ordinance text that limits the number of persons and frequency of large gatherings at a home. The Committee requested feedback from residents on the proposed text, and to that end, a series of open community dialogues are scheduled for this purpose as follows:
These community meetings will also address proposed revisions to the Noise Ordinance. The results of this community feedback for both issues will be discussed with the Committee at a future meeting.



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http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/zoning/groupassembly/

From Watchdog:

A plan to ban “frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County supervisor predicts.
Officials will get an idea Wednesday when public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most populous county.

“I believe the county is risking a lawsuit and/or aconstitution challenge by interfering with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor Pat Herrity said in a statement.

The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than three times in any 40-day period.


I quoted that article because the proposed ordinance is in a PDF that I can't get to copy-and-paste correctly.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:04 PM   #16
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So I guess the left can regulate and tax orgies now?
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:09 PM   #17
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I doubt this is really all that unusual and unlikely a 1st Am violation. The key is that content or subject matter of the assembly is not the issue--the size, and to a lesser extent, frequency, are the issues.
This is more of a zoning issue.
i can't quote the cases but my general recollection is that this is basically correct... *ducks and runs for cover*
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:14 PM   #18
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I will say this: Fairfax County, and the whole DC area, is an infrastructure nightmare. For decades now, the population has been booming, but none of the jurisdictions have unclenched enough to shell out for the infrastructure needed to grow with it. I'm not surprised that they're trying to solve the problem through goofball legislation, but this isn't the way to do it.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:19 PM   #19
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I will say this: Fairfax County, and the whole DC area, is an infrastructure nightmare. For decades now, the population has been booming, but none of the jurisdictions have unclenched enough to shell out for the infrastructure needed to grow with it. I'm not surprised that they're trying to solve the problem through goofball legislation, but this isn't the way to do it.
shit, it was that way in 1967 i can't imagine how bad it is now...
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:51 AM   #20
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i can't quote the cases but my general recollection is that this is basically correct... *ducks and runs for cover*

Reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner are generally upheld. Not restricting content is the big thing.

And it's not the right to assemble--it is the right to peaceablyassemble. Which is why noise laws and such are ok. If the assembly didn't unreasonably bother neighbors, clog streets, etc., it would be hard to justify breaking it up--but it's not that hard to imagine a scenario where a large and frequent assembly in a residential neighborhood would cross the line.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:45 AM   #21
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:06 AM   #22
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If my neighbor was running a group meeting out of his house twice a week and had cars parked up and down the street I'd be pretty annoyed.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:36 AM   #23
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Yeah, think it's all about the restrictions, why they are being implemented, and what are they. If my neighbors had a meeting with 50 people every other day, lasting until midnight, with cars parked everywhere, (as an over-the-top hypothetical), then that would be a serious problem.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:45 AM   #24
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Reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner are generally upheld. Not restricting content is the big thing.

And it's not the right to assemble--it is the right to peaceablyassemble. Which is why noise laws and such are ok. If the assembly didn't unreasonably bother neighbors, clog streets, etc., it would be hard to justify breaking it up--but it's not that hard to imagine a scenario where a large and frequent assembly in a residential neighborhood would cross the line.
It is annoying enough to deal with the neighbor's garage sale traffic 4 days a year. Can't imagine having to deal with that crap a couple of times a month.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:45 AM   #25
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So I guess my home state is going to try and say people aren't peaceably assembling. Good luck with that. So glad I moved away from the militants of Virginia.
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I've never tried to assemble a group of more than 8 or so.

Is it easy to get a room at a community center or local school? I would image that at these neighborhood assemblies the first topic is always parking anyway.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:25 AM   #28
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I hate to agree with Cosmo on general principle, but this is more of a zoning issue.

They need to be careful, and the people need to be vigilant so that this isn't an infraction on the right to peaceably assemble, but imagine if your next door neighbor decided to hold a cult meeting twice a week of 100 people in his back yard and they parked up and down your street and made a bunch of noise and walked through your yard.

Are they allowed to hold their cult meeting twice a week? Sure. Where they hold that meeting, however, is a different story.
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I hate to agree with Cosmo on general principle, but this is more of a zoning issue.

They need to be careful, and the people need to be vigilant so that this isn't an infraction on the right to peaceably assemble, but imagine if your next door neighbor decided to hold a cult meeting twice a week of 100 people in his back yard and they parked up and down your street and made a bunch of noise and walked through your yard.

Are they allowed to hold their cult meeting twice a week? Sure. Where they hold that meeting, however, is a different story.
It's my yard, so I'd have a problem with folks trampling my landscape. It's not, however, my street. Where people park on public streets is none of my damn business.
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It's my yard, so I'd have a problem with folks trampling my landscape. It's not, however, my street. Where people park on public streets is none of my damn business.
All the same, if someone holds a kegger once or twice a year, you probably put up with it. If they start doing it every weekend, you probably don't.
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