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Old 05-05-2014, 08:54 PM  
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County In Virginia To Consider Regulating Group Assembly In Private Homes

Group Assembly in Residential Dwellings



Over the last several years, there have been complaints from residents regarding frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes. These gatherings can create parking, noise, and other concerns for the neighborhood. Although occasional, large gatherings - such as private parties, house concerts, religious meetings and social clubs - are expected and permissible activities at a home, gatherings that occur on a regular basis involving numerous people can detract from the residential nature of a neighborhood because most residential structures and neighborhoods are not designed to accommodate such events.

Accordingly, it is recommended that language be added to the Zoning Ordinance to define what is a permissible "group assembly," and when associated with a residence, when such a group assembly is an appropriate "accessory use." Currently, the Zoning Ordinance does not identify guidelines for the frequency or scale at which group assembly is considered to be a permitted accessory use to a dwelling. Without such specificity, managing and addressing impacts of these large, frequent gatherings becomes problematic, and the County is limited in its ability to respond to neighborhood concerns.

On February 18, 2014, Zoning Administration and Code Compliance staff presented the Board of Supervisors' Development Process Committee (Committee) with draft Zoning Ordinance text that limits the number of persons and frequency of large gatherings at a home. The Committee requested feedback from residents on the proposed text, and to that end, a series of open community dialogues are scheduled for this purpose as follows:
These community meetings will also address proposed revisions to the Noise Ordinance. The results of this community feedback for both issues will be discussed with the Committee at a future meeting.



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http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/zoning/groupassembly/

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A plan to ban “frequent and large gatherings at neighborhood homes” is a lawsuit waiting to happen, a Fairfax County supervisor predicts.
Officials will get an idea Wednesday when public-comment hearings begin in Virginia’s most populous county.

“I believe the county is risking a lawsuit and/or aconstitution challenge by interfering with peoples’ right to assemble,” Supervisor Pat Herrity said in a statement.

The proposed zoning ordinance limits “group assembly” at residences to 49 people a day. Such gatherings “shall not occur more frequently than three times in any 40-day period.


I quoted that article because the proposed ordinance is in a PDF that I can't get to copy-and-paste correctly.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:51 AM   #31
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It's my yard, so I'd have a problem with folks trampling my landscape. It's not, however, my street. Where people park on public streets is none of my damn business.
People can make it their business by passing zoning laws. And then if people don't like the zoning laws they can move.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:02 AM   #32
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I guess I am able to process reasonable restrictions on people that help make for a civilized society and not just automatically label every law as a sign of an oppresive dictatorship.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:06 AM   #33
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People can make it their business by passing zoning laws. And then if people don't like the zoning laws they can move.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:26 AM   #34
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All the same, if someone holds a kegger once or twice a year, you probably put up with it. If they start doing it every weekend, you probably don't.
There's nothing to "put up with." Again, it's none of my business.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:33 AM   #35
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Town have those homeowners clubs don't they to keep trash out, garage doors down, nothing parked in driveways and stuff? I bet that would be shoot to have a bunch of neighborhood do gooders come say you can't have people over to your house because it upsets the village feel.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:35 AM   #36
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People can make it their business by passing zoning laws. And then if people don't like the zoning laws they can move.
Do you know anyone who doesn't break the law on a daily basis?
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Do you know anyone who doesn't break the law on a daily basis?
No, but I don't really know why that matters. If it was my neighborhood and they had cars parked on the street in front of my house, and people congregating in large groups outside all the time it would piss me off. Could make it a pain to put the trash on the curb, get in and out of my driveway. My kids ride their bikes up and down the sidewalk. Why should I have to put up with it if I don't have to?
If there was a means to legally correct the problem I'd certainly be open to using that, and I would feel the least but guilty and I wouldn't feel like I was infringing on anyone's rights.
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No, but I don't really know why that matters. If it was my neighborhood and they had cars parked on the street in front of my house, and people congregating in large groups outside all the time it would piss me off. Could make it a pain to put the trash on the curb, get in and out of my driveway. My kids ride their bikes up and down the sidewalk. Why should I have to put up with it if I don't have to?
If there was a means to legally correct the problem I'd certainly be open to using that, and I would feel the least but guilty and I wouldn't feel like I was infringing on anyone's rights.
I completely understand and I'm very sorry to hear your dog died.
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I doubt this is really all that unusual and unlikely a 1st Am violation. The key is that content or subject matter of the assembly is not the issue--the size, and to a lesser extent, frequency, are the issues.
This is more of a zoning issue.
It's another situation where our rights are limited. Just like free speech, bearing arms and expressing religion. I don't question the need for limitation. I do question the need for this legislation.
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No, but I don't really know why that matters. If it was my neighborhood and they had cars parked on the street in front of my house, and people congregating in large groups outside all the time it would piss me off. Could make it a pain to put the trash on the curb, get in and out of my driveway. My kids ride their bikes up and down the sidewalk. Why should I have to put up with it if I don't have to?
If there was a means to legally correct the problem I'd certainly be open to using that, and I would feel the least but guilty and I wouldn't feel like I was infringing on anyone's rights.
By the way, why are your kids riding their bikes on the sidewalk? Bikes don't belong on the sidewalk. There are laws against that shit. Why should I have to put up with your snot-nosed...whatever.
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By the way, why are your kids riding their bikes on the sidewalk? Bikes don't belong on the sidewalk. There are laws against that shit. Why should I have to put up with your snot-nosed...whatever.
Because they don't botherother people, like the people in Fairfax county must have been.
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Because they don't botherother people, like the people in Fairfax county must have been.
Or maybe your neighbors are just better people than you.
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Or maybe your neighbors are just better people than you.
If I was being a jackass and regularly hosting large meetings of 49 people or more I would fully expect people in the neighborhood to try to legally stop my inconsiderate behavior.
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