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Old 05-06-2014, 08:57 AM  
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Dorsey loves the box safeties in this draft

@TerezPaylor: One thing to keep in mind about a Berry trade: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey told me Friday that there are a lot of good box safeties in this draft


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Old 05-06-2014, 10:35 AM   #46
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Unfortunately we have neither.
And unloading Berry doesn't make the situation better.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:37 AM   #47
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Unfortunately we have neither.
Incorrect. Our three main problems last year were the following:

1. A FS who didn't fit the defensive scheme.
2. A lack of depth behind our current starters.
3. A DC that refused to rotate in what depth we did have or make changes to the gameplan when failing.

Houston and Hali are damn fine at what they do and DJ is a top 5 ILB in this league. Smith, Cooper and Flowers are just fine at CB when they aren't required to play 10 yards off of the WRs with no FS help. Sutton needs to pull his head out of his ass and start rotating in some of the depth we do have or Poe won't be able to play past his first contract.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:39 AM   #48
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I have to disagree with every poster on here who is saying there is no way we should trade Eric Berry. It's just myopic.
  1. If Berry wants north of Earl Thomas' salary;
  2. If Berry is going to be kept in the box;
  3. If Berry doesn't want to extend, because Pioli has already said he'll make him the highest paid safety in Atlanta (his hometown);
  4. If we can replace 90% of his production with 20% of his salary;
  5. If we can get good draft picks;

Then **** you. I'm trading him in a heartbeat. Shit, if just a combination of a couple of those things are true, or if just number 3 is true... then you have to trade him. Period. Or you'll just watch him walk away in one year for nothing.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:40 AM   #49
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Why wasn't DJ calling the plays for the defense anyway?
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:41 AM   #50
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:45 AM   #51
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I was going off Pest's duality.

Either they're going to keep Berry in his current role, which -I'll Q myself here (and aggravate a ****ton of posters here)- isn't worth extending him if he's just going to be a box safety in my opinion, OR they move him to FS which at least one poster has suggested will happen based off of the scheme Sutton used in the playoff game.

If they're rolling with the first option of keeping him as a rover then I'd say only re-sign him if he's willing to be paid less than his All Pro and PB resume suggests.

If they're going with the second, then you have to believe drafting yet another safety is in the cards to either backup Berry in the event he's not able to easily transition to the free, to find a guy able to replace Berry's role from 2010-2013 in case Hussain Abdullah isn't able to, or to hedge both of the aforementioned options as well as replace Sanders Commings if he's permanently broken.
Wait, what?

Why in the world would a player who's in his prime and widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, at his position re-sign for less than what his All Pro/PB resume suggests? That is disrespectful towards the player and not grounded in reality whatsoever.

And why do people keep calling him "An in the Box Safety"? That's so ignorant. Just because he's great at playing in the box that doesn't mean he's only an in the box safety.

You guys are devaluing him far too much because you're treating his role as if he were Bernard Pollard when that couldn't be further from the truth. He's not All Pro because he's "Just an in the box safety".

He's All Pro not only because he is a phenomenal tackler @ 210lbs, but also because he has the Range to play deep coverage, he has tremendous ball skills and is a threat to take any INT to the house, which he has displayed over and over again, he can blitz the QB and get the sacks, he can cover TE's, he brings a swagger to the defense and read and diagnose plays.

You're not paying him top coin because he's a great in the box safety, you're paying him top coin because he can do anything and everything you ask him to do very, very well. You're paying him for his versatility and ability to adapt to any scheme and any role he's required to play.

You don't simply let players like that walk.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:46 AM   #52
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And unloading Berry doesn't make the situation better.
I guess it would depend on what you got in return. That's the unknown.

Dallas unloading Walker looked pretty bad at the time. Before you kill me, I understand Berry wouldn't fetch what Walker did. Just a crazy example.

But, I do agree. Trading Eric Berry and Brandon Flowers do not make the defense any better in the short term.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:48 AM   #53
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  1. If we can get good draft picks;
This is the only thing I'm concerned about if we are indeed considering trading Berry. And if that's the case, the amount of compensation in draft picks we'd need to receive to make the deal worth it for us is going to be way too steep of a price for any team who wants to trade for him.

I'm not expecting a Jared Allen deal or anything, but we'd AT LEAST need an extra 1st rounder for Berry. And no team is going to pay that.

It's the same shit with the people who want to trade Bowe, even though they don't realize it would be cap suicide. If it weren't cap suicide, we'd probably need to see a 2nd and an extra midround pick, or perhaps even a low 1st rounder. And again, no team is going to pay that. So we may as well keep both players.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:58 AM   #54
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I have to disagree with every poster on here who is saying there is no way we should trade Eric Berry. It's just myopic.
  1. If Berry wants north of Earl Thomas' salary;
  2. If Berry is going to be kept in the box;
  3. If Berry doesn't want to extend, because Pioli has already said he'll make him the highest paid safety in Atlanta (his hometown);
  4. If we can replace 90% of his production with 20% of his salary;
  5. If we can get good draft picks;

Then **** you. I'm trading him in a heartbeat. Shit, if just a combination of a couple of those things are true, or if just number 3 is true... then you have to trade him. Period. Or you'll just watch him walk away in one year for nothing.
If, If, If.

That's a shit load of "If's".

Again, you're assuming players like Berry are just replaceable.

Quick question: How many Eric Berry's have you ever seen on the Chiefs roster? EVER? Hell, how many Eric Berry's have you ever seen in our Division, let alone just the Chiefs? How many Bernard Pollard's, Greg Wesley's and Mike Brown's did we have to through to get just ONE Eric Berry? You're taking the player for granted and it's silly.

And I got news for you, Eric Berry will be the highest Paid safety in the league. Contracts increase by the year and it's been shown already that Berry has been every bit as productive as Thomas has been while offering much more versatility.

Eric Berry is getting paid by someone, and deservedly so. He will be the highest paid safety in the league barring a significant injury this upcoming season.

I'd rather he be a highly paid, All Pro CHIEF, rather than a highly paid, All Pro -Something else.
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Incorrect. Our three main problems last year were the following:

1. A FS who didn't fit the defensive scheme.
2. A lack of depth behind our current starters.
3. A DC that refused to rotate in what depth we did have or make changes to the gameplan when failing.

Houston and Hali are damn fine at what they do and DJ is a top 5 ILB in this league. Smith, Cooper and Flowers are just fine at CB when they aren't required to play 10 yards off of the WRs with no FS help. Sutton needs to pull his head out of his ass and start rotating in some of the depth we do have or Poe won't be able to play past his first contract.
Hali and DJ are aging out. Houston is hitting his prime and is going to need to be paid. Alex Smith needs to be paid. With a ton of scratch on the books in Berry, Flowers, and Hali already, where is the money coming from? Sometimes you have to pick your poison and make tough choices. Overpay for a S and let others walk? or make the tough call for the betterment of the team in the long run?
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Hali and DJ are aging out. Houston is hitting his prime and is going to need to be paid. Alex Smith needs to be paid. With a ton of scratch on the books in Berry, Flowers, and Hali already, where is the money coming from? Sometimes you have to pick your poison and make tough choices. Overpay for a S and let others walk? or make the tough call for the betterment of the team in the long run?
Hali and Flowers are gone after this season. There's your money right there.
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Hali and DJ are aging out. Houston is hitting his prime and is going to need to be paid. Alex Smith needs to be paid. With a ton of scratch on the books in Berry, Flowers, and Hali already, where is the money coming from? Sometimes you have to pick your poison and make tough choices. Overpay for a S and let others walk? or make the tough call for the betterment of the team in the long run?
Hali and Flowers are likely cap casualties after this season. Berry, Poe and Houston are the foundation of this team and deserve to be paid accordingly.
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**** it, lets trade Houston and Charles too. And Poe.
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I can't believe some people would actually be ok let alone prefer to trade Berry. He's one of the best run defenders at the position, above average in coverage, and one of the best blitzing safeties in the league. Not to mention his leadership and passion for the game.
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