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Old 05-06-2014, 09:57 AM  
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Dorsey loves the box safeties in this draft

@TerezPaylor: One thing to keep in mind about a Berry trade: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey told me Friday that there are a lot of good box safeties in this draft


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Old 05-06-2014, 12:53 PM   #76
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Chiefs fans - Expect All-Pro player to sign a team friendly deal.....and when he doesn't....place all hopes on a rookie coming in and producing the same for pennies on the dollar.

Rinse and repeat.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:54 PM   #77
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:55 PM   #78
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Chiefs fans - Expect All-Pro player to sign a team friendly deal.....and when he doesn't....place all hopes on a rookie coming in and producing the same for pennies on the dollar.

Rinse and repeat.
And IF that rookie gets good, release him because he's too expensive to retain.

/Royals Syndrome.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:56 PM   #79
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Right?

It's unreal.

Again, when was the last time the Chiefs had a Safety of his caliber? And we FINALLY get one and just want to dump him because he's going to be expensive to retain....WTF?

If that's the case, then why even draft good players?

Why not just field a team of marginal players who will never be good enough to demand a premium 2nd contract?

Sounds like a winning plan to me.
long weird tradition of fans hating on their best players, and absolutely freaking out when said players expect to get paid

"he wants $100000000000...I know it!".../commentary on dwayne bowe, albert, berry, the next guy
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:56 PM   #80
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Pure ****ing speculation.
sure, but an educated one.

All players want to maximize their salary and Berry is not going to want to take a pay cut just because he is a Strong instead of a Free safety. He will say that he is an impact player and should be paid like a top 5 safety regardless of position.

Chiefs have a few choices

1. pay a top SS like a top FS
2. move Berry to FS and risk an adjustment period and/or it not working out
3. Offer Berry top SS money and let him walk if he doesn't take it


after the Fisher and Albert draft/replace situation, i could see them letting Berry walk or trading him.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:59 PM   #81
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sure, but an educated one.

All players want to maximize their salary and Berry is not going to want to take a pay cut just because he is a Strong instead of a Free safety. He will say that he is an impact player and should be paid like a top 5 safety regardless of position.

Chiefs have a few choices

1. pay a top SS like a top FS
2. move Berry to FS and risk an adjustment period and/or it not working out
3. Offer Berry top SS money and let him walk if he doesn't take it


after the Fisher and Albert draft/replace situation, i could see them letting Berry walk or trading him.
If that top SS produces like a top FS, and has the ability to be transitioned into either role, then what difference does it make? You pay him as a top Safety, regardless if it's free or strong.

Again, Berry IS NOT POLLARD.

I cannot stress this enough.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:03 PM   #82
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Who said it was Valid?

I stated a legit off the field concern at the time. I didn't say i agreed with it. You're comparing apples to oranges. Berry hasn't given the Chiefs a single reason to suggest he won't continue to perform. Allen was fresh off a suspension and was one DUI away from a year long vacation...and IIRC, he had just opened a freaking bar. Allen had legit concerns when Berry does not.
Oh bullshit. Jared Allen wasn't a legit concern. That was Carl Peterson being Carl Peterson.

I ****ing hated the Jared Allen trade. I would ****ing hate an Eric Berry trade. I ****ing hate losing good players, but clearly each of us believes there are circumstances that COULD exist where it makes sense.

I'm not saying those "ifs" are going to happen, but I'm pointing out there is an actual situation where trading our best defensive player makes sense. Just the same way you think there was a situation where trading our best defensive player made sense.

I don't want it to happen, but I hope the chiefs consider every possibility.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:06 PM   #83
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If that top SS produces like a top FS, and has the ability to be transitioned into either role, then what difference does it make? You pay him as a top Safety, regardless if it's free or strong.

Again, Berry IS NOT POLLARD.

I cannot stress this enough.
paying Berry like a top FS is certainly a possibility

There is still a difference in terms of impact for the safety positions. This is a passing league and having a Safety that can stop the deep passes and get INTs is more valuable than LB/SS. jmo

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Old 05-06-2014, 01:07 PM   #84
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long weird tradition of fans hating on their best players, and absolutely freaking out when said players expect to get paid

"he wants $100000000000...I know it!".../commentary on dwayne bowe, albert, berry, the next guy
Historically, the Chiefs have paid players who deserved to be paid and retained. They just haven't brought enough of those players onto the team in the first place.

They have overpaid a few people (i.e., Bowe) but for the most part they haven't signed terrible contracts for old veteran players.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:09 PM   #85
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Oh bullshit. Jared Allen wasn't a legit concern. That was Carl Peterson being Carl Peterson.

I ****ing hated the Jared Allen trade. I would ****ing hate an Eric Berry trade. I ****ing hate losing good players, but clearly each of us believes there are circumstances that COULD exist where it makes sense.

I'm not saying those "ifs" are going to happen, but I'm pointing out there is an actual situation where trading our best defensive player makes sense. Just the same way you think there was a situation where trading our best defensive player made sense.

I don't want it to happen, but I hope the chiefs consider every possibility.
How can you say it wasn't a legit concern?

He was 1 offense away from a year long suspension. That isn't a concern? That's not something Peterson made up. That was a the reality of the situation. I understand that Peterson used it as a cop-out....but it doesn't change the fact that it was in fact a real risk.

And of course there might be an actual situation in which unloading Berry makes sense, but it's unlikely to happen. I don't see $$$ as a reason to give up an All Pro player. The only plausible situation is if A) We have the chance to draft another Premier prospect or B) Some team offers up a stupid amount of picks.

The odds of either of those happening are slim to none.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:12 PM   #86
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paying Berry like a top FS is certainly a possibility

Their is still a difference in terms of impact for the safety positions. This is a passing league and having a Safety that can stop the deep passes and get INTs is more valuable than LB/SS. jmo
So then what is the value of a player who does all of the above, which Berry has done?

Berry gets just as many INTS as Thomas, scores TD's once he gets those INTs and can still play in the box and make game changing tackles and sacks.

So why exactly doesn't he deserve to get paid like a top Safety?
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:12 PM   #87
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This thought that Berry isn't a gamechanging safety is a bit assinine. Look at his numbers thru 42 games and Earl Thomas numbers thru his first 42 games.

Berry is a candidate to have a HUGE year this year, thus making him want more money.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:14 PM   #88
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Why wasn't DJ calling the plays for the defense anyway?
He was. Dj usually makes the adjustments for the box, and FS or SS will adjust the coverage based on the wr's/te's formations.
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paying Berry like a top FS is certainly a possibility

Their is still a difference in terms of impact for the safety positions. This is a passing league and having a Safety that can stop the deep passes and get INTs is more valuable than LB/SS. jmo
A passing league that favors the spread offense, which is best defended by 'big nickel' packages utilizing players at the LOS that can play the run, rush the passer or cover someone. Most of the time this is 2 players of Berry's caliber.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:17 PM   #90
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This thought that Berry isn't a gamechanging safety is a bit assinine. Look at his numbers thru 42 games and Earl Thomas numbers thru his first 42 games.

Berry is a candidate to have a HUGE year this year, thus making him want more money.
I don't understand it either. People wan't to compare him to Thomas as if that is suppose devalue Berry when in fact, with all things considered, that argument would FAVOR Berry to have the larger contract.

The fact that Berry can produce as well as Thomas while adding an extra LB dimension to his game should speak favorably for Berry.
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