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Old 05-08-2014, 12:04 PM  
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Hillary fought to keep Boko Haram off terror list

I thought this news was so shocking, horrifying and deplorable that it deserves its own thread. Hillary is responsible for the kidnapped school girls.


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Hillary fought to keep Boko Haram off terror list


Hillary Clinton’s public outrage at the abduction of hundreds of schoolgirls by a Islamist Nigerian rebel group ignores the role the 2016 Democratic frontrunner had in preventing the group from being designated as a terrorist organization. From The Daily Beast: “The State Department under Hillary Clinton fought hard against placing the al Qaeda-linked militant group Boko Haram on its official list of foreign terrorist organizations for two years. And now, lawmakers and former U.S. officials are saying that the decision may have hurt the American government’s ability to confront the Nigerian group that shocked the world by abducting hundreds of innocent girls….On Wednesday, Clinton said that the abduction of the girls by Boko Haram was ‘abominable, it’s criminal, it’s an act of terrorism and it really merits the fullest response possible, first and foremost from the government of Nigeria.’ Clinton said that as Secretary of State she had numerous meetings with Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan and had urged the Nigerian government to do more on counterterrorism. What Clinton didn’t mention was that her own State Department refused to place Boko Haram on the list of foreign terrorist organizations in 2011, after the group bombed the UN headquarters in Abuja. The refusal came despite the urging of the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, and over a dozen Senators and Congressmen.”


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-terror-group/
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:51 PM   #31
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This is why I started out saying this is complicated. In many other situations it absolutely would make a difference... just not in Nigeria. It's like the whole Kony nonsense a few years back, there is no "good guy" to get behind and support. Nigeria's government is completely corrupt and a massive human rights violator. They aren't someone we could have worked with just because we put one of their enemies on the terrorist list.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:57 PM   #32
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:01 PM   #33
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:23 PM   #34
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:16 PM   #35
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I find this pretty hard to believe. Boko Haram has no other purpose but to conduct terrorism. They aren't a muslim sect or part of the muslim community in general, they are a paramilitary organization. They've had gun battles with the government there and blown up public buildings. It seems hard to believe that State would stick their necks out for this group for some reason.
In the administrations defense, reaching out to and bonding with Muslim peoples has been a hallmark of the Obama Presidency. Calling a group "terrorists" would be seen as a big negative among our Muslim friends who we have worked so hard to get to know. Words can be hurtful.
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:22 PM   #36
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:29 PM   #37
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:35 PM   #38
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In the administrations defense, reaching out to and bonding with Muslim peoples has been a hallmark of the Obama Presidency. Calling a group "terrorists" would be seen as a big negative among our Muslim friends who we have worked so hard to get to know. Words can be hurtful.
Would the drone strikes be considered "reaching out" or "bonding with?"
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Old 05-08-2014, 04:42 PM   #39
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... Boko haram to most is a music group.
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Old 05-08-2014, 05:31 PM   #40
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In the administrations defense, reaching out to and bonding with Muslim peoples has been a hallmark of the Obama Presidency. Calling a group "terrorists" would be seen as a big negative among our Muslim friends who we have worked so hard to get to know. Words can be hurtful.
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:20 PM   #41
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In the administrations defense, reaching out to and bonding with Muslim peoples has been a hallmark of the Obama Presidency. Calling a group "terrorists" would be seen as a big negative among our Muslim friends who we have worked so hard to get to know. Words can be hurtful.
Remind me again, how many drone attacks has Obama launched against Islamists? How does the PM of Pakistan feel about them?
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:26 PM   #42
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Fairplay you should get a job as a FoxNews RSS feed. Or just keep the job you have with the republican party PR department.

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Old 05-08-2014, 10:53 PM   #43
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It's kind of funny how Obama supporters suddenly love drone strikes...
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:03 AM   #44
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It's kind of funny how Obama supporters suddenly love drone strikes...
Why?
I can only speak for myself, but I've always loved them. Compared to the alternative methods, I don't see what's not to like.
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Old 05-09-2014, 04:36 AM   #45
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In theory these are great reasons why they go on the list but in practice it doesn't really work because of Nigeria. Being on the list (or not) doesn't magically change the situation. It expands the set of tools we can use to deal with them... but unfortunately most of those expanded powers are moot in this case because Nigeria is so screwed up.

I'm not here to defend Hillary but I just don't think pursuing this angle will bear much if any fruit. In hindsight they should have been on the list. Using an equal amount of hindsight, it likely wouldn't have made any difference.
When the efforts to keep them off the list, the narrative was We killed Osama and Al Qaeda is waning everywhere. And it was an election year
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