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Old 05-09-2014, 05:48 PM  
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So I'm kind of fascinated by a cultural discussion that is happening around this whole "#bringbackourgirls" thing.

On one side, you've got Rush Limbaugh, sounding a little callous:
I just think this is pathetic. I'm just stunned. We got 300 Nigerian girls kidnapped by an Al-Qaeda group, and nobody cared or talked about it for a while. Hillary wouldn't call 'em a terror group. Now, all of a sudden, for some reason, we're on a big push to get 'em back and this is how...? Well, you can't read the writing. It's a plea for people on Twitter to get in gear and bring the girls back. It's #BringBackOurGirls. Apparently there's a Twitter... What do you call 'em, handle? It's the number sign
"BringBackOurGirls." (interruption) It's a hashtag, okay.

Anyway, there's Mrs. Obama looking sad and grim, and the sad thing here is that the low-information crowd that's puddling around out there on Twitter is gonna think we're actually doing something about it. (interruption) Exactly. Yeah, they'll say, "At least she is trying, Mr. Limbaugh. What are you doing? At least Mrs. Obama cares! At least they're trying to get them back."

Here it is again, closer. See it? Is that not pathetic? What the hell message does that send? Imagine if bin Laden were still alive. Imagine Ayman al-Zawahiri. Can you imagine? They're laughing at this over in the huts and so forth wherever they are. It is just unbelievable. #BringBackOurGirls. They're Nigerian, unless there's something that we don't know.

But are we really this powerless? The correct way to look at this is the audience that will see it -- the Twitter, low-information universe -- will say, "Oh, Mrs. Obama! At least they care, and at least they're trying to do something."
On the other side, I guess you've got Michelle Obama, who is doing the radio address this week to "demand justice for Boko Haram kidnap victims."

The question that I have about all this is "to what end?" I don't particularly like Rush Limbaugh. He's tone deaf at the very least. But isn't it also tone deaf to hold up a sign for twitter without any real call to action? This reminds me a lot of the #occupywallstreet stuff, where they call a bunch of people to "raise awareness" - but that's the extent of the call to action.

I don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish. As a father, I feel terrible about these girls, but I would be disgusted if the extent of the people with the power to do anything about it basically turned that loss into a branding campaign for how in touch and compassionate they are.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:30 PM   #16
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Not torn at all, yes, she's awful for trying to get something done with ****ing twitter... if its so important to her, the man she goes to bed with every night has the answer.
This makes no sense.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:38 PM   #17
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This makes no sense.
Oh bullshit, we certainly don't always agree, but don't be a dick just for the sake of it.

SHE'S APPEALING TO THE WORLD VIA TWITTER WHEN SHE SHOULD BE APPEALING TO HER HUSBAND THE SO CALLED MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD.

There, I hope that helps clear up the misunderstanding.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:46 PM   #18
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Oh bullshit, we certainly don't always agree, but don't be a dick just for the sake of it.

SHE'S APPEALING TO THE WORLD VIA TWITTER WHEN SHE SHOULD BE APPEALING TO HER HUSBAND THE SO CALLED MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD.

There, I hope that helps clear up the misunderstanding.
I'd say you're being a dick just for the sake of it. How do you know she's not appealing to her husband? No one's going to be sending troops in. If anything gets done with shit like this, it is usually because of increased awareness. Sure can't hurt. Take the stick out of your ass.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:54 PM   #19
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No matter if she did something or nothing, there would be whining about it. Occupy Wall Street was a lot more abstract and I don't think a good comparison. I don't know what Michelle's options here are other than to raise awareness, but what's wrong with that?

This is one of those cultural things that I find fascinating. You'd never see Laura Bush doing something like this. And why? That's a good question. I would say because to someone like Laura Bush, such a gesture would feel fruitless and self serving.

Sort of like how you see someone like Direckshun putting an Iranian flag in his avatar. It kind of reeks of vanity concerning. Look at me. I care enough about an issue to be seen caring about an issue. But what next? What's the end game?

I'm not being entirely fair to Direckshun though, because we're Internet nobodies. Putting an avatar up is an expression of who we are in the communities that we participate in. Michelle Obama, on the other hand, is the first lady. When she holds up a twitter hash tag sign, it means something... But what?

And that's the real question for me. I don't know exactly what it means. For some, it shows a sense of powerlessness. For others it shows concern. For me, I see it as vanity more than anything because it lacks any substance so far as I can tell.

If it were me, I would want more substance behind the symbol. I wouldn't want to be seen as just holding up some vague trend sign without any sort of real call to action. But then, she'd be putting pressure on her husband to do something. That could get uncomfortable, especially if he refuses.

The whole conundrum is so modern... I wish I was back in my Comm 300 & 400 classes to discuss this kind of stuff and what it all means.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:55 PM   #20
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I'd say you're being a dick just for the sake of it. How do you know she's not appealing to her husband? No one's going to be sending troops in. If anything gets done with shit like this, it is usually because of increased awareness. Sure can't hurt. Take the stick out of your ass.
You really think these thugs will just fade away without getting their ass handed to them?

My hope is we are putting some intel guys in to try and track this POS. Then at some point the last thing this POS will see is a Seal assault rifle pointed at his forehead just before the trigger is pulled. And this time we release the photos for the world to see.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:03 PM   #21
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Yeah its me, I'm the dick wanting the "most powerful man in the world" to galvanize some action for these little kids... Michelles so desperate for help she crying out to the Seychelles, Brunai, Moldova? or anyone else who happens to be watching her twitter account.

Her twitter campaign is dumb, Dumb, DUMB... want to actually bring the girls home? get your husband involved and stop bullshitting about on twatter.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:06 PM   #22
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Do you actually think anyone in Washington, let alone The First Lady, actually cares about ANYONE in Nigeria?

Hell no.

Barack has a brother that lives in that area so yes they have ties to the place.

Michelle cares.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:07 PM   #23
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This is one of those cultural things that I find fascinating. You'd never see Laura Bush doing something like this. And why? That's a good question. I would say because to someone like Laura Bush, such a gesture would feel fruitless and self serving.

Sort of like how you see someone like Direckshun putting an Iranian flag in his avatar. It kind of reeks of vanity concerning. Look at me. I care enough about an issue to be seen caring about an issue. But what next? What's the end game?

I'm not being entirely fair to Direckshun though, because we're Internet nobodies. Putting an avatar up is an expression of who we are in the communities that we participate in. Michelle Obama, on the other hand, is the first lady. When she holds up a twitter hash tag sign, it means something... But what?

And that's the real question for me. I don't know exactly what it means. For some, it shows a sense of powerlessness. For others it shows concern. For me, I see it as vanity more than anything because it lacks any substance so far as I can tell.

If it were me, I would want more substance behind the symbol. I wouldn't want to be seen as just holding up some vague trend sign without any sort of real call to action. But then, she'd be putting pressure on her husband to do something. That could get uncomfortable, especially if he refuses.

The whole conundrum is so modern... I wish I was back in my Comm 300 & 400 classes to discuss this kind of stuff and what it all means.
Dang, raised the questions then answered them just how I feel.

Nice.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:08 PM   #24
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This is one of those cultural things that I find fascinating. You'd never see Laura Bush doing something like this. And why? That's a good question. I would say because to someone like Laura Bush, such a gesture would feel fruitless and self serving.

Sort of like how you see someone like Direckshun putting an Iranian flag in his avatar. It kind of reeks of vanity concerning. Look at me. I care enough about an issue to be seen caring about an issue. But what next? What's the end game?

I'm not being entirely fair to Direckshun though, because we're Internet nobodies. Putting an avatar up is an expression of who we are in the communities that we participate in. Michelle Obama, on the other hand, is the first lady. When she holds up a twitter hash tag sign, it means something... But what?

And that's the real question for me. I don't know exactly what it means. For some, it shows a sense of powerlessness. For others it shows concern. For me, I see it as vanity more than anything because it lacks any substance so far as I can tell.

If it were me, I would want more substance behind the symbol. I wouldn't want to be seen as just holding up some vague trend sign without any sort of real call to action. But then, she'd be putting pressure on her husband to do something. That could get uncomfortable, especially if he refuses.

The whole conundrum is so modern... I wish I was back in my Comm 300 & 400 classes to discuss this kind of stuff and what it all means.
Laura can't do something like this because their party fails miserably at appealing to anyone outside of their demographic.

Sorry, but rich grandmas don't quite have the same appeal to a newer, tech savvy generation. Think about a bunch of wrinkly old ladies taking selfies with hashtag signs. They would look ridiculous.

Michelle is milking this shit, no doubt about it. This is a publicity stunt to show that she's in touch with our community. By taking to twitter and doing the hashtag thing, she's appealing to a younger and broader audiance trying to keep that young liberal vote going.

You old bastards are probably right, there is very little substance behind her actions. All talk, no go so to speak.

BUT

THIS IS HOW YOU WIN VOTES, you ****s.

Instead of bitching about it, your party needs to learn from it. Take their tactics, do something "fresh". Instead of sounding like a bunch of unsympathetic and out of touch weirdos, understand what they're doing and adapt, don't bitch about it.

The average American is going to care about this situation in Nigeria. The avg American can't do a damn thing about it. So what CAN they do? All they can do is take to Social Media to raise awareness and express their disapproval in hopes that the White House sends out our best to save the day yet again.

Responding to it and agreeing with it is a pretty damn good way to get someone to like you.

Republicans, don't be so angry that youre party is getting whipped in the game. Instead, learn how to play the game.
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I'd say you're being a dick just for the sake of it. How do you know she's not appealing to her husband? No one's going to be sending troops in. If anything gets done with shit like this, it is usually because of increased awareness. Sure can't hurt. Take the stick out of your ass.

There are girls kidnapped because of Hillary's lameness everyone.
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What is the purpose of Direckshun putting the Iran flag in his avatar for I don't understand.
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Lotta truth in Detoxings post, IMO.
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This is one of those cultural things that I find fascinating. You'd never see Laura Bush doing something like this. And why? That's a good question. I would say because to someone like Laura Bush, such a gesture would feel fruitless and self serving.

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You really think these thugs will just fade away without getting their ass handed to them?
No.
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