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Old 05-09-2014, 04:48 PM  
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So I'm kind of fascinated by a cultural discussion that is happening around this whole "#bringbackourgirls" thing.

On one side, you've got Rush Limbaugh, sounding a little callous:
I just think this is pathetic. I'm just stunned. We got 300 Nigerian girls kidnapped by an Al-Qaeda group, and nobody cared or talked about it for a while. Hillary wouldn't call 'em a terror group. Now, all of a sudden, for some reason, we're on a big push to get 'em back and this is how...? Well, you can't read the writing. It's a plea for people on Twitter to get in gear and bring the girls back. It's #BringBackOurGirls. Apparently there's a Twitter... What do you call 'em, handle? It's the number sign
"BringBackOurGirls." (interruption) It's a hashtag, okay.

Anyway, there's Mrs. Obama looking sad and grim, and the sad thing here is that the low-information crowd that's puddling around out there on Twitter is gonna think we're actually doing something about it. (interruption) Exactly. Yeah, they'll say, "At least she is trying, Mr. Limbaugh. What are you doing? At least Mrs. Obama cares! At least they're trying to get them back."

Here it is again, closer. See it? Is that not pathetic? What the hell message does that send? Imagine if bin Laden were still alive. Imagine Ayman al-Zawahiri. Can you imagine? They're laughing at this over in the huts and so forth wherever they are. It is just unbelievable. #BringBackOurGirls. They're Nigerian, unless there's something that we don't know.

But are we really this powerless? The correct way to look at this is the audience that will see it -- the Twitter, low-information universe -- will say, "Oh, Mrs. Obama! At least they care, and at least they're trying to do something."
On the other side, I guess you've got Michelle Obama, who is doing the radio address this week to "demand justice for Boko Haram kidnap victims."

The question that I have about all this is "to what end?" I don't particularly like Rush Limbaugh. He's tone deaf at the very least. But isn't it also tone deaf to hold up a sign for twitter without any real call to action? This reminds me a lot of the #occupywallstreet stuff, where they call a bunch of people to "raise awareness" - but that's the extent of the call to action.

I don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish. As a father, I feel terrible about these girls, but I would be disgusted if the extent of the people with the power to do anything about it basically turned that loss into a branding campaign for how in touch and compassionate they are.
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:27 PM   #91
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Well that choice of words colors it a certain way that I never used. It's called emancipated compensation.
Damn BEP you almost sound PC here in your justification of "emancipated compensation" with no consequences. But this is where your pacifism at all times gets you into trouble. Whether you choose to call a drug addict a "Junkie" or "Chemical Dependent" it's all the same. You know the ol "lipstick on pig" thing. Especially when there are no consequences to BH's actions which only encourage them to do this again when they get low on funds.

Just calling it like it is.
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:35 PM   #92
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That's why the Obama regime bombed Libya, supplied arms to AQ in Libya that went to Syria, sent CIA into Kiev, has continued the push to expand NATO in Europe, and special forces into Nigeria. Ronald Reagan didn't act all the time on every bad event in the world either. The mood of the country doesn't support all this military intervention either. So I suggest, the right mollify its FP stands somewhat if they want to win Congress or the WH. They are out of touch.
and why I stated this in my post #74

"But her look in this picture to me say's, "I'll look like I care, but ain't nothing going to happen ya'll" because me and Barry like chaos around the world" for radical global transformation reasons".

I agree about RR but Islam radicals must be nipped in the bud "at all times" and now more than ever we have to be more aggressive but smarter I agree.
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:06 PM   #93
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Well that choice of words colors it a certain way that I never used. It's called emancipated compensation. That was used to free African slaves in Great Britain. Why risk any American lives when it can be avoided?
Because it would be financing terrorism.

And emancipation compensation is a 19th-century idea, instituted as a way to end legal slavery. In the British Empire, it lasted for about two years before slavery was abolished altogether. Its use now would admit that slavery is legal on an institutional level, which Nigeria is not about to do, and would be a method to move the country toward a policy of non-slavery, which Nigeria is also not able or willing to enforce.

The underlying problem is that Nigeria sucks. It's corrupt, obstinate, undereducated, disorganized, fragmented, belligerent, violent, occupying some of the worst terrain on the planet, and surrounded by neighbors who aren't much better off, except that they don't have as much oil.
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:07 PM   #94
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Damn BEP you almost sound PC here in your justification of "emancipated compensation" with no consequences. But this is where your pacifism at all times gets you into trouble. Whether you choose to call a drug addict a "Junkie" or "Chemical Dependent" it's all the same. You know the ol "lipstick on pig" thing. Especially when there are no consequences to BH's actions which only encourage them to do this again when they get low on funds.

Just calling it like it is.
Well, first off, I am not a pacifist. I am a non-interventionist. I believe in having a strong military that protects our borders--not most or all the wrong in the world. I believe in a strong attack back if attacked first too. Emancipated compensation could have been used instead of American having a Civil War where fellow Americans slaughtered each other.

I realized before hand someone would say that BH would do it again. But s Margolis is knowledgeable on Third World countries, I pointed out that he said this is common in sub-Saharan Africa. So why now? Why this time? Why not the thuggish and very corrupt Nigerian govt who we deal with for oil?

The answer is the vested interest in Nigerian oil. See that? This is only advertised now for another reason. The story provides humanitarian cover as the stated purpose. Our Constitution authorizes a military to "provide for the common defense" not to save the world.

BTW I don't call "junkies" "chemical dependent" either. I call them "druggies."
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:27 PM   #96
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Because it would be financing terrorism.
'Cept this practice of abducting girls for child brides is common in sub-Saharan Africa. These guys are not our terrorists and the US military is not the enforcement arm for the United Nations.

There are 800 terrorists groups ww and these guys aren't headed here. Certainly, we're not going to have this much mission creep.The claim of them being affiliated with AQ is tangential at best or unclear.

Making this a humanitarian media sensation this time, is just the stated purpose--NOT the real purpose. ( See what I posted that Margolis who is knowledgeable about Third World countries said. That sounds more like it to me because we ignore the same incident in the rest of Africa. Sorry but it stinks.)

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And emancipation compensation is a 19th-century idea...
Time isn't an argument.

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instituted as a way to end legal slavery. In the British Empire, it lasted for about two years before slavery was abolished altogether. Its use now would admit that slavery is legal on an institutional level, which Nigeria is not about to do, and would be a method to move the country toward a policy of non-slavery, which Nigeria is also not able or willing to enforce.
If it frees the girls then it frees the girls. The one drawback is what CS mentioned about this group doing it again. It is paying ransom if you want to use a different set of words.

Wouldn't you pay it if you had just 7 pounds to free your own daughter if you had one? I would. I'd get mine out right away.

After that it's up to the Nigerian govt to protect the place, particularly their schools for women. If our govt really cares, they'd not buy their oil until they did.
But it's more likely some mercantilist interest for oil really at work here.

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The underlying problem is that Nigeria sucks. It's corrupt, obstinate, undereducated, disorganized, fragmented, belligerent, violent, occupying some of the worst terrain on the planet, and surrounded by neighbors who aren't much better off, except that they don't have as much oil.
Well, it's their duty not ours. Nigerian govt claims they responded with " troops, helicopters and airplanes in the immediate aftermath of the mass abduction." They need to do something beforehand to prevent it. Having our guys risk their lives now is what I don't approve of when it can be done differently.
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:52 PM   #97
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It's pretty funny, actually. Rarely has an administration been this transparent. Who do they think they're fooling with this bullshit?
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The underlying problem is that Nigeria sucks. It's corrupt, obstinate, undereducated, disorganized, fragmented, belligerent, violent, occupying some of the worst terrain on the planet, and surrounded by neighbors who aren't much better off, except that they don't have as much oil.
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Well, last I saw the Brits were going in with special forces. Let someone else do it for a change.
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Fox news said it may be too late to find the girls, as they are likely spread out too much and that two are already dead from snake bite.
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Could have saved himself the hassle and just not allowed it to happen in the first place. Seems like that would be more efficient.
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Well that choice of words colors it a certain way that I never used. It's called emancipated compensation. That was used to free African slaves in Great Britain. Why risk any American lives when it can be avoided?

It's really not American govt's business, but any individual of private group that is concerned can get them freed. Start some underground railroad of sumthin'. People here are free to act without the govt for humanitarian purposes.
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