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Old 05-09-2014, 04:48 PM  
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So I'm kind of fascinated by a cultural discussion that is happening around this whole "#bringbackourgirls" thing.

On one side, you've got Rush Limbaugh, sounding a little callous:
I just think this is pathetic. I'm just stunned. We got 300 Nigerian girls kidnapped by an Al-Qaeda group, and nobody cared or talked about it for a while. Hillary wouldn't call 'em a terror group. Now, all of a sudden, for some reason, we're on a big push to get 'em back and this is how...? Well, you can't read the writing. It's a plea for people on Twitter to get in gear and bring the girls back. It's #BringBackOurGirls. Apparently there's a Twitter... What do you call 'em, handle? It's the number sign
"BringBackOurGirls." (interruption) It's a hashtag, okay.

Anyway, there's Mrs. Obama looking sad and grim, and the sad thing here is that the low-information crowd that's puddling around out there on Twitter is gonna think we're actually doing something about it. (interruption) Exactly. Yeah, they'll say, "At least she is trying, Mr. Limbaugh. What are you doing? At least Mrs. Obama cares! At least they're trying to get them back."

Here it is again, closer. See it? Is that not pathetic? What the hell message does that send? Imagine if bin Laden were still alive. Imagine Ayman al-Zawahiri. Can you imagine? They're laughing at this over in the huts and so forth wherever they are. It is just unbelievable. #BringBackOurGirls. They're Nigerian, unless there's something that we don't know.

But are we really this powerless? The correct way to look at this is the audience that will see it -- the Twitter, low-information universe -- will say, "Oh, Mrs. Obama! At least they care, and at least they're trying to do something."
On the other side, I guess you've got Michelle Obama, who is doing the radio address this week to "demand justice for Boko Haram kidnap victims."

The question that I have about all this is "to what end?" I don't particularly like Rush Limbaugh. He's tone deaf at the very least. But isn't it also tone deaf to hold up a sign for twitter without any real call to action? This reminds me a lot of the #occupywallstreet stuff, where they call a bunch of people to "raise awareness" - but that's the extent of the call to action.

I don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish. As a father, I feel terrible about these girls, but I would be disgusted if the extent of the people with the power to do anything about it basically turned that loss into a branding campaign for how in touch and compassionate they are.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:10 PM   #106
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"If we keep stealing kids, the Americans will keep giving us money."
Yet, they've already been stealing them.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:51 PM   #107
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Northeastern area of Nigeria is BH's stronghold and Nigerian president said the area is in open rebellion. Also BH began this tactic when Nigerian security forces began abducting the wives and children of BH. Sounds pretty messy.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:10 PM   #108
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It's been pretty much lawless since colonial times. The British really only developed the coast, so the north has been more or less ignored. Plus, it's conveniently close to fabulously disorganized Cameroon and Chad.

It's beyond messy.
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Old 05-12-2014, 07:04 AM   #109
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No I meant the situation between the Nigerian security forces-- stealing BH's wives and children --not the country's organization.

I am not against the idea of a non-western style organized govt--aka what we westerners consider disorganized. I don't think that's right for every people.

However, I was thinking about this idea of paying for the girls again. How to do it so the ultimate buyer is anonymous. BH said they were going to sell them as slaves. So they're going to be sold no matter who buys them.That has to be in Africa to Africans. So pay some Africans or westerners of African descent to buy the girls and then free them without BH knowing who the buyer really is and if the girls were freed. Unfortunately, this still requires knowing where the girls are and the where they'd be sold. It would have to be a covert operation.
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Old 05-12-2014, 07:52 AM   #110
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No I meant the situation between the Nigerian security forces-- stealing BH's wives and children --not the country's organization.

I am not against the idea of a non-western style organized govt--aka what we westerners consider disorganized. I don't think that's right for every people.

However, I was thinking about this idea of paying for the girls again. How to do it so the ultimate buyer is anonymous. BH said they were going to sell them as slaves. So they're going to be sold no matter who buys them.That has to be in Africa to Africans. So pay some Africans or westerners of African descent to buy the girls and then free them without BH knowing who the buyer really is and if the girls were freed. Unfortunately, this still requires knowing where the girls are and the where they'd be sold. It would have to be a covert operation.
So, then what...they kidnap another 200 girls, cuz they get paid...I don't think this is solving the problem. I don't know what would, but it seems like an odd solution to reward them for doing this. Although, I guess they are going to sell them anyway. I dunno. Seems odd, but it would be a shit load cheaper than our typical foreign policy actions...
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:23 AM   #111
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George Will tore this apart.

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It's an exercise in self-esteem. I do not know how adults stand there facing a camera and say, bring back our girls. Are these barbarians in the wild of Nigeria are supposed to check their Twitter accounts and say, oh, Michelle Obama is very crossed with us, we better change our behavior.
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Old 05-12-2014, 10:00 AM   #112
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Someone should tell George that the message isn't intended for the kidnappers.
The vast majority of the time, this stuff is probably worthless. In this case, it's probably fair to say that no one outside of Nigeria would even know or care about what happened if not for the social media effort.
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So, then what...they kidnap another 200 girls, cuz they get paid...
They've been doing it already without being paid for the past year-and-a-half and it hasn't stopped. This latest is the biggest one yet. Plus if they're going to be sold as slaves to someone, they're still going to be sold as slaves regardless. Right?

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I don't think this is solving the problem.
Which problem? Freeing the girls or ending the abductions?

It would free the girls, if they could be located. The latter is crucial and that's difficult from what I hear being reported. I wouldn't be against giving the Nigerian govt intel advice or tools for intel ( say drones for spying ) to locate the girls and find out where and who they are being sold to.

It will not stop BH violence and kidnapping--THAT would have to be handled with more security by the Nigerian govt. Nigerian security forces would also have to stop kidnapping BH's wives and children too.
Do you agree?

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I don't know what would, but it seems like an odd solution to reward them for doing this.
How is it a "reward" if someone is going to be buying the girls for slaves anyway? All that's being done is substituting who buys them with someone who would then free them. BH wouldn't even have to know who was behind it. Hence, the perception of no reward from us.

Future security would have to deal with protection and prevention by the Nigerian govt and resolving issues, if they can, that are creating the problems there.

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Although, I guess they are going to sell them anyway. I dunno. Seems odd, but it would be a shit load cheaper than our typical foreign policy actions...
That's what I'm saying. And it saves American lives.
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Besides InChiefsHell, they seem like they're abducting the girls for revenge--more than for any reward.
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Thuggish! I forgot to include 'thuggish' on the list of deserved Nigerian adjectives. Drat.
You were doing well until you brought race into it. Don't you know thug is just a racist codeword?
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Old 05-12-2014, 12:15 PM   #116
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Someone should tell George that the message isn't intended for the kidnappers.
The vast majority of the time, this stuff is probably worthless. In this case, it's probably fair to say that no one outside of Nigeria would even know or care about what happened if not for the social media effort.
Are you high?
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HuffPo: Islam Has Nothing To Do With Boko Haram…



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/faheem...b_5292964.html
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Old 05-12-2014, 01:27 PM   #120
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I hate to break it to you, but the author is right. It's you who is not.

Boko Haram, and others like them, are extremists who call themselves Islamic, in the same way that the Ku Klux Klan or (as mentioned) the Lord's Resistance Army calls themselves Christian.

I don't know why that's so difficult a concept to grasp.
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