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Old 05-10-2014, 07:05 PM  
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My brief take on the draft

My take on the draft: The Chiefs did not let the draft come to them, they went after the players they wanted.

Dee Ford - I like the player, I just felt like he was a reach for a position of need. But if we really were in love with him as a person/player, and really set on a passrusher, then the got what they needed.

Philip Gaines - Again, I really like the player. Tons of upside. Again, I feel like we reached for a guy we were targetting.

De'anthony Thomas - I see how he fits with Reid, but again, this pick seems like it was made a round early.

Aaron Murray - Great value. Love this pick.

Zach Fulton - Great pickup and a good scheme fit.

Duvernay-Tardif - Great value and hopefully he can come right in and make an impact.
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:10 PM   #2
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:12 PM   #3
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:51 PM   #4
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I see it very similarly...

1. Dee Ford - I felt like there was equal talent in round 3. I don't see the abilities that the Chiefs do I guess. I think we reached, and I see a high bust potential. I hope for the best, but I'm extremely skeptical. The Chiefs left some serious talent on the board, so they better hope it works out.

3. Phillip Gaines - I felt like KC got tremendous value here. This kid is a CB prototype athletically and physically. He's got game. He could be the best pick KC made in this draft.

4. De'Anthony Thomas - This kid was electric in college, but the slope is steep for guys of his stature to translate that to the pros. In a draft loaded with great receiver prospects, this is the only guy that the Chiefs took that might be able to catch a pass. I'm underwhelmed. The only plus is that he wasn't taken with a second round pick, but I'm still furious with how much talent there was left on the board at WR.

5. Aaron Murray - This is my second favorite pick of this draft. I would have screamed for this kid at #1 overall if he came out last year, and I am still high on this guy. I think KC got a real steal here. There are those that will think he's nothing more than a backup, but there is legitimate potential here that he could become much more. Even if he is only a solid #2 that can win you some games if need be, it isn't a bad pick. I actually preferred McCarron a bit given his physical attributes, but Murray I am equally happy with.

6. Zach Fulton - I'm not going to kid anybody, the Chiefs made some seriously solid offensive line picks here in the sixth round that could really pan out. Fulton has the potential, with a lot of technique coaching, to be a gem and potential starter at RG. I like his overall game, but he has to develop better footwork, a better punch, and his angles to blockers or he's going to get rocked by NFL DTs. He's not a guy you're going to be able to move in space at all, so your other guard better well be if this guy ever starts. I think he's going to be developed as a good pass pro anchor and a step and seal type of run blocker, despite his size suggesting he could become a mauler.

6. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif - Lets not kid ourselves, playing at McGill is no ringing endorsement for an NFL prospect. However, this guy was a man amongst boys, literally. He absolutely devastated everyone he blocked, man up, pulling and trapping, out in space. I mean you watch this kids tape and you see him driving guys into the dirt every single time the ball is snapped. He just keeps his legs churning until the guy is buried. I haven't seen a guy with this much "try hard" as an O-line prospect in a long time. I don't question the kid has ability, the question is how well that ability will translate to the NFL. I think this is a guy I'd move inside and let his nasty take over and see what happens. I really love this pick, whether it works out or not.
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:14 AM   #5
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I think the long and the short of it is that I like all of these players, but if you had told me before the draft that this was how it would shake out, I would have said "Meh."
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:51 AM   #6
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My brief take is: I'm glad you guys aren't running the Chiefs.

This is a BPA draft through and through.

People on CP keep talking about having a one or two year window for Super Bowl runs. Dorsey and Reid are setting this team up to keep that window perpetually open. Yes, we might get our asses kicked for the next year or so (I don't think so; I think we will be competitive), but over the next five years and the forseeable future, we are in really, really good hands and will be in the running for the Super Bowl yearly.

Dorsey ain't no Carl Peterson, and he sure ain't no Scooter.

We're in good hands.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:28 AM   #7
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1. Dee Ford, DE; Auburn
6'2"
252 lbs.
32 7/8" Arms
10 1/4" Hands

- Productive when he plays, but he's never finished a full season at the college level including a back injury in 2011. (Remember he wasn't medically cleared to participate in the Combine because of it.) Competitive on the field, with a good initial burst. However, he's not instinctive and doesn't make a lot of impact plays past the sack; e.g., doesn't make a lot of tackles for loss, forced fumbles, etc. Considering that guys like Jackson Jeffcoat and James Gayle were UDFA's, I think that they paid a steep price for a guy who is going to require coaching and time to go along with the historical injury concerns.

Who should have been the pick: Xavier S'ua-Filo, OL; UCLA

They took an OG later in the draft but nearly everyone considered S'ua-Filo to be the best at that position. He would have been an immediate starter and provided high level performance from the very first snap.

3. Phillip Gaines, CB; Rice
6'0"
193 lbs.
31 7/8" Arms
9 5/8" Hands

- I consider this a pretty big reach. Gaines hasn't shown the strength to play press man coverage at this point due to a lean frame and lack of on the field power. Injury history. He can cover in the zone and does have instincts when the ball is in the air, but he's not a safety as he doesn't come up in the run very well. His track speed (4.38 Combine 40 and was on the Rice track team) doesn't translate over to the football field. As Direckshun said, there was about 50 guys I would have taken before Gaines at this spot.

Who should have been the pick: Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss

Huge, exceptionally fast, explosive, productive and only 20 years old. He would have been a top 15 pick next year. Oh, and by the way, have you seen our current crop of WR's? My mind is still blown that we took Gaines with Moncrief still on the board.

4. De'Anthony Thomas, RB; Oregon
5'9"
174 lbs.
29 7/8" Arms
8 1/8" Hands

- Dexter McCluster. And don't tell me that this guy is faster/more explosive/productive. They are exactly the same guy right down to the exact size, speed, production in college and upside in the pros. Exact same guy. Now, that's not a bad thing by any stretch, especially looking at what Reid did with McCluster this past season. The thing is, at this size, you've got to really love the game. McCluster did. And McCluster was pretty strong for his size, where Thomas isn't as strong/physical. He's more of a track guy where McCluster was a football player.

Who they should have picked: Dontae Johnson, DB; North Carolina State

You could actually make a case for a lot of players here (Brent Urban, Nevin Lawson, Cameron Fleming, etc.), but Johnson is a true press cover corner with size and speed. Strong hands and punch right at the line and will fight a guy all the way down the field.

5. Aaron Murray, QB; Georgia
6'1"
207 lbs.
30 5/8" Arms
9 1/8" Hands

- WTF? Short, with very short arms and very, very small hands. Shitty release. Lack of athleticism. He's instinctive on the field and has some excellent games where he's making some absolutely great plays, but there are a whole lot of times where he just absolutely shits himself and throws the game away all on his own. Broken leg, ACL injuries in the past. It almost seems that Dorsey won't take a guy unless he's been pretty ****ed up with an injury at some point. Anywho, Murray is not an NFL QB. Not even a backup. He will never get passes off consistently at the next level. Considering that he's a poor man's, less poised Chase Daniel, and we've already got the real Chase Daniel on the team, it's a horrible pick.

Who they should have took: Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State

Carrethers went two picks later. He's massive, strong as bull, eats space and blockers like Joey Chestnut does hot dogs and would have provided a very nice option to Poe throughout the season. Former wrestler who understands leverage and who is very instinctive on the field following the ball and diagnosing the play. Made a ton of tackles for the Red Wolves over his career and got better every single year.

6. Zach Fulton, OG; Tennessee
6'5"
316 lbs.
33 1/4" Arms
10 1/4" Hands

Looks the part, but doesn't play to the part. Very muscular and long. Looks more like a OT than a OG, but doesn't have the feet or legs or agility to be on the outside. Plays soft at times and doesn't drive guys off the ball. Slowest 3 Cone Drill at the 2014 Combine by any participant. Won't make it past the first cut as we've already got numerous marginal talent guards on the roster.

Who should have been the pick: Tyler Gaffney, RB; Stanford

Experience in a pro style system, fast (4.49 Comine 40), explosive (36.5" vertical, 116" broad) with good vision and power. Thick and strong. Instinctive and effective inside the tackles.

6. Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, OT; McGill
6'5"
298 lbs. (though he played/weighed in at 321 at the East/West Shrine Game)

- The Canadian Eric Fisher. Smart (3.92 GPA in PreMed), hardworking, strong and athletic for a big ****er. Former defensive lineman who made the switch to the OL two years ago. Plays nasty and just gets after dudes. He's also a model citizen off the field, volunteering with the Montreal police, Drug Rehabs, high schools, etc. Two time team captain. He and Catapano can establish a Chiefs chapter of Mensa.

Who they should have took: Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

I'm okay with Tardif. They needed a backup OT and the guy has skills, smarts, athleticism and intangibles. However, he's raw like sushi and needs reps. I don't think you can prepare a guy within a single season to be ready, even a smart guy like Tardif.

However, Reilly would have given us a guy who is capable of playing any of the linebacker positions and playing them well. Originally recruited as a safety, he's been all over the field for Utah at DT, DE, both OLB spots, both MLB spots and S. He's fluid dropping back into coverage and has a variety of pass rush moves getting into the backfield. Very instinctive and plays pursuit, tackles and zones like it's from the textbook. I felt he was just a fraction below what you would have got from a guy like Kyle Van Noy. Same type of player (but bigger and more athletic) and at this point in the draft, a complete steal.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:32 AM   #8
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If this were a true BPA draft, then Darqueze Dennard would have been the pick hands down. In fact, Marqise Lee, Xavier Su'a Filo, Jason Verrett, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and so on all had higher grades from multiple scouting services than Dee Ford.

This was the Chiefs interpretation, not a consensus interpretation of what BPA was. Dee Ford was the only pick I really, really didn't like, so hopefully he works out. I'm not very high on the Thomas pick either, but he has the ability to be a very good player if he can hold up in the NFL. We'll see. I think the rest of the picks were solid and good value, not amazing value, but good. It could be a good draft, but that doesn't mean the Chiefs know any better than any of us. As a matter of fact, that has repeatedly shown to not be the case in my world.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:48 AM   #9
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:10 PM   #10
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If this were a true BPA draft, then Darqueze Dennard would have been the pick hands down. In fact, Marqise Lee, Xavier Su'a Filo, Jason Verrett, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and so on all had higher grades from multiple scouting services than Dee Ford.

This was the Chiefs interpretation, not a consensus interpretation of what BPA was. Dee Ford was the only pick I really, really didn't like, so hopefully he works out. I'm not very high on the Thomas pick either, but he has the ability to be a very good player if he can hold up in the NFL. We'll see. I think the rest of the picks were solid and good value, not amazing value, but good. It could be a good draft, but that doesn't mean the Chiefs know any better than any of us. As a matter of fact, that has repeatedly shown to not be the case in my world.
If BPA means, BPA on some dudes draft rankings sure, but we all know teams value players much differently.
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When Denard was still there when we went on the clock, I felt like we'd won the lottery. I understand why they took Ford but don't tell the fans he was the BPA.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:46 PM   #12
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If BPA means, BPA on some dudes draft rankings sure, but we all know teams value players much differently.
Yeah. I think that the NFL draft is infinitely more impossible to predict than the March Madness bracket.

How many freaken small school guys, that no one ever heard of, got selected way higher than anyone ever expected over prospects that we all thought were sure locks to go in the 3rd-4th rounds?
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If Phillip Gaines has a much higher ceiling than Dennard does while Dennard has a higher floor.
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Dexter McCluster is really strong.

It only took a stiff breeze from a windmilled arm to tackle him.

Incredible ****ing strength.

You're a ****ing idiot, sac.
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Dexter McCluster is really strong.

It only took a stiff breeze from a windmilled arm to tackle him.

Incredible ****ing strength.

You're a ****ing idiot, sac.
You're an idiot.

I said he was pretty strong for his size. And his size was small. And when you are small, you get rag dolled all the ****ing time by guys twice as big as you, just like McCluster did.

And that's why I said that taking McCluster v.II in this draft, De'Anthony Thomas, was a mistake as he's the same player as McCluster but isn't as strong. That means he's going to get rag dolled even worse.

You savvy?
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