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Old 05-10-2014, 10:16 PM  
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The Chiefs had pressing needs after a rough free agency, and they still have massive questions on the offensive line and at wide receiver. Dee Ford is a nice long-term gamble, but should start his career as a part-time player. Third-round cornerback Phillip Gaines seems more like a developmental prospect. Fourth-round RB/WR/return/cornerback/football player De'Anthony Thomas is a wild card. This was a draft in which the Chiefs needed some instant-impact players, and it's hard to see them here.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...y-draft-grades

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Old 05-11-2014, 09:53 AM   #136
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4th round pick sound about right?
His tires will probably be bald after next year, he is used quite alot
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:53 AM   #137
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It's going to be interesting to see all these folks that claim WR wasn't a need turn a 180* during the season and make excuses that Alex Smith has no weapons.

We're likely not playing a .390 schedule and a bunch of bottom third defenses this year.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:56 AM   #138
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It's going to be interesting to see all these folks that claim WR wasn't a need turn a 180* during the season and make excuses that Alex Smith has no weapons.

We're likely not playing a .390 schedule and a bunch of bottom third defenses this year.
For my part, I'm not suggesting WR wasn't a need.

I'm suggesting that, with the way this offense is structured and the guy we have playing QB, it probably really isn't going to matter.

I don't think one rookie WR was ever going to be the difference between a winning season and a losing one.

And I'm sure you know that you won't EVER see me making excuses for Alex Smith. Even though I've done an about face on him, you still see me fighting against the excuses not for them.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:00 AM   #139
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Yeah let's blow things out of proportion. People acted like we wouldn't score a point if he went down or draft the 20th rated slapdick receiver.
Sure, your post was completely valid, while mine was blown out of proportion.

It was posted to show how ridiculous some of you look when you claim that we didn't need WR help. One game against a below average defense and getting numerous short fields (thanks, defense - even though everyone blames you exclusively) isn't a predictor of future success.

Take off the Chiefs-colored glasses for a split second and tell me if you think this offense is going to be successful this season, and in the future when we're consistently getting <60 yards a game from our WR's.

The offense is JC or bust.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:00 AM   #140
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:01 AM   #141
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I have accepted the fact that this a team that is rebuilding.

They went about in a really backassward kind of way, though.

First thing they did was go out and pay a high price for a sturdy, reliable door to replace the broken one that invited intruders in.

Then they went about tearing up the foundation while hoping the walls don't collapse around that door and break it.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:02 AM   #142
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For my part, I'm not suggesting WR wasn't a need.

I'm suggesting that, with the way this offense is structured and the guy we have playing QB, it probably really isn't going to matter.

I don't think one rookie WR was ever going to be the difference between a winning season and a losing one.

And I'm sure you know that you won't EVER see me making excuses for Alex Smith. Even though I've done an about face on him, you still see me fighting against the excuses not for them.
Yeah, I wasn't directing my comments towards you, Parker. You're anti-excuse like me. We're on the same page - though I'm thinking further down the road than just this season. I don't think anyone we drafted is going to be the difference between a winning season and a losing season.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:03 AM   #143
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I have accepted the fact that this a team that is rebuilding.

They went about in a really backassward kind of way, though.

First thing they did was go out and pay a high that the price for a sturdy, reliable door to replace the broken one that invited intruders in.

Then they went about tearing up the foundation while hoping walls don't collapse around that door and break it.
Well said.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:03 AM   #144
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Hali and Houston, while good players are not as great as they're made out to be on this board. They're decent pass rushers, but really they're not that fast and they need lock down coverage to be able to get to the QB. The Ford pick was an attempt to get a speed rusher that can get to the QB very quickly in order to try and help the cover guys on the back end.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:04 AM   #145
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I have accepted the fact that this a team that is rebuilding.

They went about in a really backassward kind of way, though.

First thing they did was go out and pay a high price for a sturdy, reliable door to replace the broken one that invited intruders in.

Then they went about tearing up the foundation while hoping the walls don't collapse around that door and break it.
This is where I differ.

I don't think this team is rebuilding. They've just been building the longest outhouse in recorded history.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:06 AM   #146
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Yea but you guys act like you never watched Andy Reid in his 10 years in Philly. Dude has never made WR a need really, and made chicken salad at out of chicken shit for 10 years until he hit on Jackson/Maclin. I think the Jackson/Maclin WR he wanted was gone at 23 so he said **** it.

The bigger question is why they didn't address the safety position which could actually be the sole reason we lose the games we do in 2014.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:09 AM   #147
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Yea but you guys act like you never watched Andy Reid in his 10 years in Philly. Dude has never made WR a need really, and made chicken salad at out of chicken shit for 10 years until he hit on Jackson/Maclin. I think the Jackson/Maclin WR he wanted was gone at 23 so he said **** it.

The bigger question is why they didn't address the safety position which could actually be the sole reason we lose the games we do in 2014.
Yep, been saying pretty much this same thing for the last 2 days.

And IIRC, Maclin (if not both he and Jackson) was taken after Reid lost some of his personnel control.

WR problems were a YEARLY concern for almost Reid's entire tenure in Philly.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:13 AM   #148
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Yep, been saying pretty much this same thing for the last 2 days.

And IIRC, Maclin (if not both he and Jackson) was taken after Reid lost some of his personnel control.

WR problems were a YEARLY concern for almost Reid's entire tenure in Philly.
Which is frustrating, because the one time he DID make WR a need and traded for Owens, they only went to the Super Bowl.

Instead, he continues to believe that the offense revolves around the RB in a downfield passing league.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:16 AM   #149
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I guess the way I look at it, either last year was a failure or this one was. You can't do two completely different things and expect them to both be the "right" way.

I'm just not interested in worrying about it anymore. I don't care enough to continue to complain about it.

If I HAD to choose, I would have preferred they were active in free agency THIS year. Even if they had skipped free agency last year and not signed Smith or Robinson or any of those guys, they still would have traded for Alex Smith. I think the Smith deal was done the minute Reid inked his contract. I don't think they ever considered any other approach.

Therefore, I would have preferred that they treated the whole process with the idea that they need to win now, THIS YEAR, and approached free agency this year accordingly.

EDIT: That being said, they didn't approach free agency that way. They decided to basically pass. With that in mind, this draft, to me, makes perfect sense. They got guys that have some value now but potentially big value later. I think they're looking at this team as competitive now but not contending until later.
I agree with most of this. I don't like what they did last year. I'm much happier with what we are doing this year.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:16 AM   #150
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Not to change the subject but the more I think about Dee Ford, the more I think they're going to have a hard time keeping him OFF the field.

IF he's healthy (and yes, that's a concern), he could be extremely disruptive. He's a better pure pass rusher, athletically, than Hali ever was in college.
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