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Old 05-10-2014, 10:16 PM  
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The Chiefs had pressing needs after a rough free agency, and they still have massive questions on the offensive line and at wide receiver. Dee Ford is a nice long-term gamble, but should start his career as a part-time player. Third-round cornerback Phillip Gaines seems more like a developmental prospect. Fourth-round RB/WR/return/cornerback/football player De'Anthony Thomas is a wild card. This was a draft in which the Chiefs needed some instant-impact players, and it's hard to see them here.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...y-draft-grades

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Old 05-10-2014, 11:50 PM   #46
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By grading the draft right after its over.
That's a bullshit answer. He made specific points. Where was he wrong with them?
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:51 PM   #47
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That's a bullshit answer. He made specific points. Where was he wrong with them?
Nowhere.

People aren't grading the careers of players - they're grading how a team drafted. The process, what they did with picks, etc...
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:53 PM   #48
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Where do people think Rosenthal is wrong? Here's his list:

Rough free agency

Ford - nice long term gamble, but should be a PTPer at first

Gaines - developmental prospect

Thomas - wild card

Seeming dearth of immediate impact players from draft

OL and WR still major questions
While I'm not a huge fan of this draft at all, does anybody really think we're a team on the verge of winning it all? With our lack of action in free agency and with the competition this year we're probably not going too far regardless of who we drafted.

So in that case, who cares if we don't have immediate impact players? If they turn in to excellent players a year or two from now then it will have been worth it.

My only wish is that we could have traded Brandon Flowers.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:53 PM   #49
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That's a bullshit answer. He made specific points. Where was he wrong with them?
I'm not convinced the Chiefs front office thinks wr is a glaring need. I agree that our Oline is scary and the draft didn't do much to help in the short term.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:55 PM   #50
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I say this every year....but how can you grade a draft immediately after its finished?

These things are pointless at this juncture.
can you say the Chiefs are the losers of the 2013 draft yet? Or do you need another year of bad tackle play and the rest on the injury report not contributing to believe it?
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:01 AM   #51
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can you say the Chiefs are the losers of the 2013 draft yet? Or do you need another year of bad tackle play and the rest on the injury report not contributing to believe it?
Our defense was total $#it the last 6 weeks of the season.

The only difference this year will be a 3rd round CB that is a $#itty tackler and a rotational pass rusher.

Some people may think that's enough - I don't.

And what's worse is our free agent approach + ignoring it in the draft tells me we probably won't be adding much even with the cuts to come...
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can you say the Chiefs are the losers of the 2013 draft yet? Or do you need another year of bad tackle play and the rest on the injury report not contributing to believe it?
Is this a serious question? Do you honestly think you can write that draft off after 1 year?
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Is this a serious question? Do you honestly think you can write that draft off after 1 year?
if you wrote the 2009 draft off after year 1, you'd still be right even if you waited to write it off after year 5.

The timing of when you write a draft off doesn't matter. If they suck from day 1 they are going to suck in year 5. That's just the way the NFL is.
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if you wrote the 2009 draft off after 1, you'd still be right even if you wrote it off after year 5.

The timing of when you write a draft off doesn't matter. If they suck from day 1 they are going to suck in year 5. That's just the way the NFL is.
So because it worked in 2009, it always works. Yeah, no.
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can you say the Chiefs are the losers of the 2013 draft yet? Or do you need another year of bad tackle play and the rest on the injury report not contributing to believe it?
Every team lost 2013.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:05 AM   #56
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and before you counter with, "that's a stupid way to look at it." take our 3 only good impact players that we got after 5 years of drafting. You could tell from day 1 that Berry, Poe and Houston were going to be good players, from day 1 to their 5th year in the league, it doesn't matter. Can you honestly say that about anyone we picked from 2009 to 2013 besides those 3?
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So because it worked in 2009, it always works. Yeah, no.
it works for 2010, 2011 and 2012 as well
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it works for 2010, 2011 and 2012 as well
What was the grade on Jamaal Charles after his rookie year?
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The more I think about this draft the more sense it makes. We could have gone all in to compete next year, but we would have ****ed ourselves long term with the cap, and it probably would have been for naught anyway because the schedule is going to be so tough. Drafting for 2015 is probably the smartest thing we could do. This team has spent most of the past 20 years plugging holes, desperately trying to stay within spitting distance of 9 wins and a wild card. It's pointless.
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The truth that accompanies a Draft as risky as this one is that people on both sides of the fence are salivating to either be right or wrong about Dorsey. His BPA seems to defy most others', so he is definitely putting himself out there to be judged. Which one will it be: right or wrong? Time will tell, but I respect a man sticking to his guns.
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