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Old 05-10-2014, 10:16 PM  
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The Chiefs had pressing needs after a rough free agency, and they still have massive questions on the offensive line and at wide receiver. Dee Ford is a nice long-term gamble, but should start his career as a part-time player. Third-round cornerback Phillip Gaines seems more like a developmental prospect. Fourth-round RB/WR/return/cornerback/football player De'Anthony Thomas is a wild card. This was a draft in which the Chiefs needed some instant-impact players, and it's hard to see them here.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:53 AM   #106
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ILB, S, WR, and OL all day over CB.

We have nothing next to DJ, still question marks at FS, our WR set is embarrassing, and we have practice squad players at G. Yet we have Flowers, Smith, and Cooper as our top 3 CBs.
Our embarrassing WR set manage 35ppg over the last 6 or so games with everybody's favorite whipping boy "game manager" at QB.

Our CBs got repeatedly toasted in the short passing game over and over and over during the same span.

Our CBs are easily the most overrated unit on the team.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:56 AM   #107
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Funny how people say draft grades don't matter, yet if all of these media outlets were giving us A's and claiming we were draft winners, y'all would be crowing about it.

There's nothing wrong with grading the draft this early - hell, we're all doing it too. Process team needs, the player taken, where he was taken and generate an opinion. It appears that most of you guys would give us an A to A-.

Pretty much everything I've seen gives the Chiefs anywhere from a B to a C-. A lot of that variance is based on the fact we didn't fill many needs, and that many of the players we picked have had serious medical question marks. You can't blame people for being concerned.

There's certainly some talent in this KC draft class, but there's a helluva lot of question marks as well. Hope they stay healthy so we can see some of that talent.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:59 AM   #108
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Our embarrassing WR set manage 35ppg over the last 6 or so games with everybody's favorite whipping boy "game manager" at QB.
All thanks to our WRs.

Jamaal Charles scored more TDs than Bowe, Avery, and McCluster combined over the last 6 games... by a ****ing huge margin.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:59 AM   #109
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Our embarrassing WR set manage 35ppg over the last 6 or so games with everybody's favorite whipping boy "game manager" at QB.

Our CBs got repeatedly toasted in the short passing game over and over and over during the same span.

Our CBs are easily the most overrated unit on the team.
It's like they don't even watch the games. They like a Madden team building approach here at CP. If they aren't all 99 overalls they suck!
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:00 AM   #110
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All thanks to our WRs.

Jamaal Charles scored more TDs than Bowe, Avery, and McCluster combined over the last 6 games.
That just goes to show you how much value the position of WR has in this offense, regardless of who is playing it.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:01 AM   #111
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That just goes to show you how much value the position of WR has in this offense, regardless of who is playing it.
Lets just not line any up and just go with 4 TEs and Charles.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:04 AM   #112
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All thanks to our WRs.

Jamaal Charles scored more TDs than Bowe, Avery, and McCluster combined over the last 6 games... by a ****ing huge margin.
I'm not going to take time to do the math, but I'd bet he was close to outgaining them in receiving yardage over than span as well.

IIRC, we didn't have a single 100-yard game out of a WR those last 6 games, might have had a 90 yard effort, but for the most part I don't recall one of our WR's coming up with more than 60 yards in a given game.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:04 AM   #113
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Lets just not line any up and just go with 4 TEs and Charles.
Obviously not at all what I was suggesting.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:05 AM   #114
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I'm not going to take time to do the math, but I'd bet he was close to outgaining them in receiving yardage over than span as well.

IIRC, we didn't have a single 100-yard game out of a WR those last 6 games, might have had a 90 yard effort, but for the most part I don't recall one of our WR's coming up with more than 60 yards in a given game.
And yet the offense was better in 2 or 3 of those games individually than they were in the first SIX GAMES COMBINED.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:05 AM   #115
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Funny how people say draft grades don't matter, yet if all of these media outlets were giving us A's and claiming we were draft winners, y'all would be crowing about it.

There's nothing wrong with grading the draft this early - hell, we're all doing it too. Process team needs, the player taken, where he was taken and generate an opinion. It appears that most of you guys would give us an A to A-.

Pretty much everything I've seen gives the Chiefs anywhere from a B to a C-. A lot of that variance is based on the fact we didn't fill many needs, and that many of the players we picked have had serious medical question marks. You can't blame people for being concerned.

There's certainly some talent in this KC draft class, but there's a helluva lot of question marks as well. Hope they stay healthy so we can see some of that talent.
That would be right, if true. I'd give the draft a B+ because of medical concerns and because I don't 100% agree with Dorsey's board.

But that's not what people are grading on. The big critique is that we didn't draft for need. And that is a ludicrous argument. Drafting for BPA is a smart strategy, not one people should criticize. Now if people want to argue we didn't always take the BPA... that's fair. But that's not what people are saying. The critics would have been perfectly happy with a wide receiver or safety, even if that player had an average ceiling or wasn't BPA.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:05 AM   #116
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Whatever. I remember when the Chiefs drafted Dorsey and Albert and were declared the Draft Super Bowl Winners by everyone on the planet. Both players are now gone and it could be argued that neither lived up to expectations, edpecially Dorsey. Too early to tell anything.

The summery was right about KC being FA losers though...
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And yet the offense was better in 2 or 3 of those games individually than they were in the first SIX GAMES COMBINED.
Certainly was better from an output standpoint, but you're navigating in dangerous waters when your offense depends solely on one player.
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Our embarrassing WR set manage 35ppg over the last 6 or so games with everybody's favorite whipping boy "game manager" at QB.

Our CBs got repeatedly toasted in the short passing game over and over and over during the same span.

Our CBs are easily the most overrated unit on the team.
Our CBs, other than Flowers, lack versatility, and that bit us in the ass after teams began to exploit Kendrick Lewis.

When these guys were able to line up and play press man coverage, they were pretty damn good.

When they began to back off and give a cushion, they were abused.

Cooper is young and still learning, so he gets a pass, but Sean Smith is a liability as long as we don't have an answer at FS.

We better damn well have the answer in Abdullah or Commings, otherwise this secondary is still going to be abused.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:10 AM   #119
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Certainly was better from an output standpoint, but you're navigating in dangerous waters when your offense depends solely on one player.
Totally agree.

The problem is that drafting a WR, even a potential stud like Cooks, wouldn't have solved that problem.

Here's the bottom line for me. The Chiefs failed in free agency, not the draft. What they needed was somebody that could come in right away, start immediately, and catch 50-60 passes. That guy was Emmanuel Sanders and he is in Denver.
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Our CBs, other than Flowers, lack versatility, and that bit us in the ass after teams began to exploit Kendrick Lewis.

When these guys were able to line up and play press man coverage, they were pretty damn good.

When they began to back off and give a cushion, they were abused.

Cooper is young and still learning, so he gets a pass, but Sean Smith is a liability as long as we don't have an answer at FS.

We better damn well have the answer in Abdullah or Commings, otherwise this secondary is still going to be abused.
Our guys got pushed off their position by the rub too much. They struggled even when in press coverage against Denver.

We have to get more physical at the line and we need more speed. Gaines definitely addresses the latter.

I totally agree with you about the need at FS. I just didn't see a clear-cut answer in the draft the way you did.

My answer would have been to bring in Clemons - he's more of a pure, speedy FS than any of the guys that were available in the draft. So once again, I see free agency as the big failure here.
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