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Old 05-10-2014, 10:16 PM  
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The Chiefs had pressing needs after a rough free agency, and they still have massive questions on the offensive line and at wide receiver. Dee Ford is a nice long-term gamble, but should start his career as a part-time player. Third-round cornerback Phillip Gaines seems more like a developmental prospect. Fourth-round RB/WR/return/cornerback/football player De'Anthony Thomas is a wild card. This was a draft in which the Chiefs needed some instant-impact players, and it's hard to see them here.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...y-draft-grades

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Old 05-11-2014, 09:14 AM   #121
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Totally agree.

The problem is that drafting a WR, even a potential stud like Cooks, wouldn't have solved that problem.

Here's the bottom line for me. The Chiefs failed in free agency, not the draft. What they needed was somebody that could come in right away, start immediately, and catch 50-60 passes. That guy was Emmanuel Sanders and he is in Denver.
Would you agree though that this draft may have bought us an extended window? If you believe that, then this free agency wasn't a failure because this year isn't a desperate "win now" season and I would argue set a much better long-term situation.

Last offseason, in my opinion, was an overrated failure.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:20 AM   #122
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Our guys got pushed off their position by the rub too much. They struggled even when in press coverage against Denver.

We have to get more physical at the line and we need more speed. Gaines definitely addresses the latter.

I totally agree with you about the need at FS. I just didn't see a clear-cut answer in the draft the way you did.

My answer would have been to bring in Clemons - he's more of a pure, speedy FS than any of the guys that were available in the draft. So once again, I see free agency as the big failure here.
I think that's a failure of scheme, but a scheme that was dictated by talent.

Need to press the receivers against a Manning offense, but in a zone package.

The problem, however, is that Sean Smith sucks in zone, and Cooper has to learn, and there was no way to incorporate him in the defense and try to teach him both man and zone.

Playing man exclusively against that offense is a recipe for failure.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:31 AM   #123
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Would you agree though that this draft may have bought us an extended window? If you believe that, then this free agency wasn't a failure because this year isn't a desperate "win now" season and I would argue set a much better long-term situation.

Last offseason, in my opinion, was an overrated failure.
I guess the way I look at it, either last year was a failure or this one was. You can't do two completely different things and expect them to both be the "right" way.

I'm just not interested in worrying about it anymore. I don't care enough to continue to complain about it.

If I HAD to choose, I would have preferred they were active in free agency THIS year. Even if they had skipped free agency last year and not signed Smith or Robinson or any of those guys, they still would have traded for Alex Smith. I think the Smith deal was done the minute Reid inked his contract. I don't think they ever considered any other approach.

Therefore, I would have preferred that they treated the whole process with the idea that they need to win now, THIS YEAR, and approached free agency this year accordingly.

EDIT: That being said, they didn't approach free agency that way. They decided to basically pass. With that in mind, this draft, to me, makes perfect sense. They got guys that have some value now but potentially big value later. I think they're looking at this team as competitive now but not contending until later.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:31 AM   #124
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LOLLLLL Good jesus man you people are such ****ING douche bags, go back and check what they gave Seattle's draft grade 2 years ago...."draft experts" literally laughed at them for taking Bobby Wagner....turned out ok...
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:32 AM   #125
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I think that's a failure of scheme, but a scheme that was dictated by talent.

Need to press the receivers against a Manning offense, but in a zone package.

The problem, however, is that Sean Smith sucks in zone, and Cooper has to learn, and there was no way to incorporate him in the defense and try to teach him both man and zone.

Playing man exclusively against that offense is a recipe for failure.
Gaines can play zone and he's fast as shit. He needs to get more physical but he's exactly the type of guy this backfield needed.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:39 AM   #126
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The draft is over and Avery or Hemmingway are still the projected starting WR opposite Bowe.

That is a big part of why the Chiefs draft is getting bad reviews.

The team's biggest need and they did nothing to address it.
Not sure what games you were watching last season but WR is FAR from our biggest need. Don't see a wr getting pressure in an opposing qb, or a wr playing in the secondary, don't see a wr playing well on the offensive line. Plus there's still free agent wry hat we can pick up now that the draft is over.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:40 AM   #127
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Gaines can play zone and he's fast as shit. He needs to get more physical but he's exactly the type of guy this backfield needed.
I get that.

But I am concerned about his tackling.
Hopefully he can be coached up to be a solid tackler, because you can not consistently defend the short passes.
You have to eliminate YAC.

Pass rush is ineffective, regardless of how many rushers you have on the field, if your secondary can not tackle, and QBs can consistently get rid of the ball in fewer than 3 seconds.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:45 AM   #128
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I guess the way I look at it, either last year was a failure or this one was. You can't do two completely different things and expect them to both be the "right" way.

I'm just not interested in worrying about it anymore. I don't care enough to continue to complain about it.

If I HAD to choose, I would have preferred they were active in free agency THIS year. Even if they had skipped free agency last year and not signed Smith or Robinson or any of those guys, they still would have traded for Alex Smith. I think the Smith deal was done the minute Reid inked his contract. I don't think they ever considered any other approach.

Therefore, I would have preferred that they treated the whole process with the idea that they need to win now, THIS YEAR, and approached free agency this year accordingly.
Well said! You cant have it both ways. If so, then one way is fail (No 2nd round pick this year) if you have 1 long term goal. However, if you have separate goals for each year, (Filling the seats last year) you experience some success and leave fans wondering WTF when you dont build on said success. Bottom line, there were 2 plans, which is fail. Chiefzilla refuses to see that.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:45 AM   #129
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Points are points...and they put up 44 without that best player.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:49 AM   #130
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Let's trade JC - we apparently don't need him. We scored 44 points without him once.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:49 AM   #131
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Let's trade JC - we apparently don't need him. We scored 44 points without him once.
4th round pick sound about right?
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:50 AM   #132
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The Chiefs needed pash rush and a corner, arguably more than they needed a WR.

See the end of year collapse and playoff loss last year if you have any questions about that.
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4th round pick sound about right?
We can just let him walk in 2016 and get the comp pick. /CP
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:52 AM   #134
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I get that.

But I am concerned about his tackling.
Hopefully he can be coached up to be a solid tackler, because you can not consistently defend the short passes.
You have to eliminate YAC.

Pass rush is ineffective, regardless of how many rushers you have on the field, if your secondary can not tackle, and QBs can consistently get rid of the ball in fewer than 3 seconds.
We absolutely agree on what we need. We only disagree on how much Gaines gain can potentially help that. Here's to hoping I'm right and you're wrong.
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Yeah let's blow things out of proportion. People acted like we wouldn't score a point if he went down or draft the 20th rated slapdick receiver.
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