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Old 05-11-2014, 11:50 AM  
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Jeff Flanagan: "Tyler Bray slow to grasp pro system"

http://msn.foxsports.com/kansas-city...-murray-051014

In a puff piece on Aaron Murray, an interesting tidbit:

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The Chiefs already have starter Alex Smith, backup Chase Daniel and developmental quarterback Tyler Bray.

The Chiefs could save $1.4 million if they were to release Daniel. Bray, though, seems the most vulnerable. Although the Chiefs love his arm strength, he was slow to grasp the pro system.

Murray likely won't have those issues since he already has played in a pro passing system at Georgia.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:56 PM   #136
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How the **** is Murray going to leap frog Daniel when he's basically Daniel with a worse release, less poise, less athleticism, less experience, etc.? He's a poor man's Chase Daniel.

They are the same ****ing guy with the exception that Daniel didn't shit down his leg with the regularity that Murray did.

Anybody thinking that Murray gives you anything over Daniel is a retard. Flat out, full on retard.

Murray was a ****ing waste of a pick.

**** that guy. **** that pick.
Emotional draft people man. Crazy.
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Old 05-12-2014, 12:30 AM   #137
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Lol! Very true. I dont understand all Daniel hate around here. Dude answered the bell at San Diego last year. If Smith goes down, he's not gonna wet the bed. The others Im not so sure about and Im not even sure Bray can even spell BED.
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Old 05-12-2014, 12:33 AM   #138
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Didn't finish the job.
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:19 AM   #139
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I wish Bray and Murray will both show they can be NFL quarterbacks but there's a good chance at least one of the two will not, more than likely Bray. To me, its not a big deal if Bray is cut. Chances are he'll likely never be an NFL starter so I think keeping him for the sake of keeping him is dumb. If he outplays Daniel on preseason, then cut Daniel, if not then Bray can go. If Alex is out for a game or two, I'd much rather start Daniel than Bray at this point.
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Pretty perfectly sums up my feelings. And I'm a Missouri fan who likes Chase Daniel.

I expect Bray to continue being what he is - a guy with picture-perfect physical abilities and enough other issues to go undrafted in a very shitty draft class.

And if that's the case, he will - and should - be cut.
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:43 AM   #140
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I understand both side of the issue. To me they have been making these moves setting themselves up to potentially dump salaries in order to lock up Berry Poe and Houston long term and finalize smith's deal. In terms of Bray he has to show improvement. First in terms of his maturity. Didn't he get engaged or married recently? I think I read that was tweeted here somewhere. That's a good sign, potentially, that he is growing up. Football wise is the unknown. How much did he actually learn and improve himself from a football standpoint last year? He's got Reid, Pederson, Nagy, and Childress all there to tutor him. And how does he respond to Murry being picked? What you would hope to see is for Bray to step it up and compete. Take his craft and this opportunity seriously enough and just show some improvement. From listening to Dorsey in the end of the draft presser, Murry won't be hurried right away in the rookie mini camp when all the tryout guys come in. That's probably why they got that other QB coming in, just for an arm and try out. Sounds like He's at least going to be full go by TC. If he shows a good grasp of picking things up and can be a game manager close to if not better than Chase then Bray would have a chance to stick just with his high ceiling potential alone. He just has to take full advantage of that, take it seriously that he's also like Murry, in a great place, great staff to learn from and be developed. It's all up to Tyler and how he responds to competition. If he earns it and Murry is healthy enough and picks things up quick enough I don't think they hesitate to dump Chase's salary and put that cap space to good use. But if Bray just tries to coast along and think a spot for him is a given, he probably will get cut.

Same thing with Succop and his contract being a bit hefty for a kicker especially on this team with some home grown stars it wants to extend. It might not be this rookie FA from Tulane but he could be targeted to be replaced sooner than later. Flowers and Hali are safe this year, they need them for sure. But if they are out played I think they would be happy to replace Succop and Chase because of their bloated contracts.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:03 AM   #141
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I understand both side of the issue. To me they have been making these moves setting themselves up to potentially dump salaries in order to lock up Berry Poe and Houston long term and finalize smith's deal. In terms of Bray he has to show improvement. First in terms of his maturity. Didn't he get engaged or married recently? I think I read that was tweeted here somewhere. That's a good sign, potentially, that he is growing up. Football wise is the unknown. How much did he actually learn and improve himself from a football standpoint last year? He's got Reid, Pederson, Nagy, and Childress all there to tutor him. And how does he respond to Murry being picked? What you would hope to see is for Bray to step it up and compete. Take his craft and this opportunity seriously enough and just show some improvement. From listening to Dorsey in the end of the draft presser, Murry won't be hurried right away in the rookie mini camp when all the tryout guys come in. That's probably why they got that other QB coming in, just for an arm and try out. Sounds like He's at least going to be full go by TC. If he shows a good grasp of picking things up and can be a game manager close to if not better than Chase then Bray would have a chance to stick just with his high ceiling potential alone. He just has to take full advantage of that, take it seriously that he's also like Murry, in a great place, great staff to learn from and be developed. It's all up to Tyler and how he responds to competition. If he earns it and Murry is healthy enough and picks things up quick enough I don't think they hesitate to dump Chase's salary and put that cap space to good use. But if Bray just tries to coast along and think a spot for him is a given, he probably will get cut.

Same thing with Succop and his contract being a bit hefty for a kicker especially on this team with some home grown stars it wants to extend. It might not be this rookie FA from Tulane but he could be targeted to be replaced sooner than later. Flowers and Hali are safe this year, they need them for sure. But if they are out played I think they would be happy to replace Succop and Chase because of their bloated contracts.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:06 AM   #142
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Didn't finish the job.
He kinda had help from the refs, dont ya think??? He's the only backup QB on the roster with any real experience, and the savings of cutting him is not wort the risk of having to go to a raw one- year - guy or rookie if Smith goes down. This is not the time to cut Daniels. Course, I thought they'd retain Schwartz too, so what do I know?
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:55 AM   #143
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murray has been a better QB than bray his entire life...if by QB you mean "someone who actually knows how to play QB"


if by QB you mean "he throws teh ball far and i wish i could see his penis" then Bray is your guy


Daniels is a ****ing over priced nobody...murray > daniels

and sacc is becoming the como of the draft, jesus he is wrong about every player's value by about 10 rounds
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I don't see that happening either. Bray is still young, 22 I think. They won't turn him loose yet. I can see him possibly landing in Tampa and I hate to say it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he landed in Denver if we cut him. Not sure I could take that.
Tennessee fans didn't even really like him. He's like a homeless man's version of Blaine Gabbert. It's possible he can finally put it together and use some of his physical potential, but it seems like a long shot at this point. If the Chiefs cut him, it will because they don't see that happening so it shouldn't be too concerning if a team like Denver picks him up. It would be more like a sign of desperation.
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murray has been a better QB than bray his entire life...if by QB you mean "someone who actually knows how to play QB"


if by QB you mean "he throws teh ball far and i wish i could see his penis" then Bray is your guy


Daniels is a ****ing over priced nobody...murray > daniels

and sacc is becoming the como of the draft, jesus he is wrong about every player's value by about 10 rounds
You're right about Bray.

Also right about Daniels being over priced, which is really the only argument for letting him go. (Same way Dex was a round 2 pick, had he been taken in round 4 people would have loved the guy. )

Wrong about Murray being better than Daniels. Not now he's not. Maybe one day and maybe sooner rather than later. If I don't see that happening, I keep Daniels.
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You're right about Bray.

Also right about Daniels being over priced, which is really the only argument for letting him go. (Same way Dex was a round 2 pick, had he been taken in round 4 people would have loved the guy. )

Wrong about Murray being better than Daniels. Not now he's not. Maybe one day and maybe sooner rather than later. If I don't see that happening, I keep Daniels.

Daniels is stealing money from the chiefs...thankfully murray will send his ass packing next year
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I wouldn't like Daniel if he was reasonably priced.

He's simply another aging never has been providing a reason for this team not to be serious about upgrading the position. Instead of getting serious about the most important position on the field we are worrying about who's going to replace Hali, Flowers, etc. down the line and ignoring the QB because "Well, we've got Daniel."
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murray has been a better QB than bray his entire life...if by QB you mean "someone who actually knows how to play QB"


if by QB you mean "he throws teh ball far and i wish i could see his penis" then Bray is your guy


Daniels is a ****ing over priced nobody...murray > daniels

and sacc is becoming the como of the draft, jesus he is wrong about every player's value by about 10 rounds
Yeah the poo man's takes are pretty garbage.
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Tyler Bray is as dumb as they come. I'm not surprised by this at all...
Come on. Tyler Bray may be immature but his 24 wonderlic, although not great, hardly is consistent with your statement. He's no Jeff George, who got a 10.
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