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Old 05-11-2014, 12:50 PM  
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Jeff Flanagan: "Tyler Bray slow to grasp pro system"

http://msn.foxsports.com/kansas-city...-murray-051014

In a puff piece on Aaron Murray, an interesting tidbit:

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The Chiefs already have starter Alex Smith, backup Chase Daniel and developmental quarterback Tyler Bray.

The Chiefs could save $1.4 million if they were to release Daniel. Bray, though, seems the most vulnerable. Although the Chiefs love his arm strength, he was slow to grasp the pro system.

Murray likely won't have those issues since he already has played in a pro passing system at Georgia.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:19 PM   #91
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Whether Alex goes down or not what does it matter? This team isn't built around the QB, so why the hell would you pay one that doesnt even play $3mil a year?
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:19 PM   #92
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I wasn't making reference to him becoming a starter. He never became that anyway. I was referencing him being a pos, like Daniel.
He's a backup QB. That's the definition of backup QB. You just want a guy who will keep the boat from completely flipping over if the starter goes out.

I agree I don't think Daniel is an elite backup QB or anything, but no one is making any kind of legit argument as to why Bray is a better option for that role either. Because he's probably not.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:20 PM   #93
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I agree I don't think Daniel is an elite backup QB or anything, but no one is making any kind of legit argument as to why Bray is a better option for that role either. Because he's probably not.
No one is talking about Bray being the backup.......................................... Why is this that hard to understand?

This is Daniel as backup and Murray as #3 vs Murray as backup and Bray as #3.

Sorry, I see no reason to go with option #1.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:23 PM   #94
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No one is talking about Bray being the backup.......................................... Why is this that hard to understand?
Because the idea is the three best QBs should be on the final roster. It's the most important spot on the field.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:25 PM   #95
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Because the idea is the three best QBs should be on the final roster. It's the most important spot on the field.
Daniel is the best because?

Hes going to be 28 years old and he virtually has no experience.

Bray has more gifted tools to work with than Daniel and if Murray = Daniel but hes younger and cheaper then why the hell would you keep Daniel?
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:37 PM   #96
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Daniel is the best because?

Hes going to be 28 years old and he virtually has no experience.

Bray has more gifted tools to work with than Daniel and if Murray = Daniel but hes younger and cheaper then why the hell would you keep Daniel?
Because Daniel does have experience working at the professional level as a backup QB. Odds are probably 99% he has a much greater grasp of the offense than the other two guys.

Bray has one tool, he can throw it over the mountains like Uncle Rico. What else have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Daniel was a better QB in college than Bray was too.

And this is coming from the guy who doesn't like short QBs and wanted nothing to do with Manziel. If I was running the Chiefs Daniel would not have been the first guy I would've called on to be my backup. But given what's on the team's plate at the moment, keeping him on the roster isn't a crazy move.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:38 PM   #97
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I explained this in another thread but Andy Reid has no problem going into the season with an inexperienced #2 QB. He's done it a couple times in Philly penciling in a rookie at #2.

I think Andy Reid lets the best arms win in TC and rolls with it in the season. It's that simple.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:39 PM   #98
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Because Daniel does have experience working at the professional level as a backup QB.
So nothing.

He's gone from "Here's your water Drew" to "Here's your water Alex."
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:40 PM   #99
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also nobody would cry or poop themselves on here if Daniel was cut and picked up by another team and became some sort of starting caliber NFL QB, he's 28 years old and his days as a starting NFL QB are pretty much numbered. He's basically like Charlie Whitehurst.

If Bray was cut and a desperate shitty franchise took a flyer on him and he became a starter for another team? This place would collectively poop itself.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:42 PM   #100
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Daniel is the best because?

Hes going to be 28 years old and he virtually has no experience.

Bray has more gifted tools to work with than Daniel and if Murray = Daniel but hes younger and cheaper then why the hell would you keep Daniel?
Murray fell to the 5th because despite his inexperience, he still needs a lot of coaching and they will want to make sure he's fully rehabbed instead of pushing him too soon. I really don't like Daniel, but it's too soon to put Murray in a backup role.
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also nobody would cry or poop themselves on here if Daniel was cut and picked up by another team and became some sort of starting caliber NFL QB, he's 28 years old and his days as a starting NFL QB are pretty much numbered. He's basically like Charlie Whitehurst.

If Bray was cut and a desperate shitty franchise took a flyer on him and he became a starter for another team? This place would collectively poop itself.
Neither one of them will probably ever be a starter at the NFL level. Murray has a better shot than both of them.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:43 PM   #102
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Murray fell to the 5th because despite his inexperience, he still needs a lot of coaching and they will want to make sure he's fully rehabbed instead of pushing him too soon. I really don't like Daniel, but it's too soon to put Murray in a backup role.
Murray has already been cleared to play.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:46 PM   #103
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Because Daniel does have experience working at the professional level as a backup QB. Odds are probably 99% he has a much greater grasp of the offense than the other two guys.

Bray has one tool, he can throw it over the mountains like Uncle Rico. What else have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Daniel was a better QB in college than Bray was too.

And this is coming from the guy who doesn't like short QBs and wanted nothing to do with Manziel. If I was running the Chiefs Daniel would not have been the first guy I would've called on to be my backup. But given what's on the team's plate at the moment, keeping him on the roster isn't a crazy move.
People always assume a backup QB is there to replace your starter or to take over when you lose your QB for a season. You also need a QB who can take over for 4 or 5 games and win at least half of those games to keep your team in contention. I don't have any confidence in Murray or Bray to do that. Daniel can at least manage a game to a few close wins.

The good news is in Murray, I really think in a year or sooner we'll have a guy who can play that backup role but also has developmental upside to be a starter. Worst case scenario, we have a solid backup for years to come.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:47 PM   #104
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Murray has already been cleared to play.
That doesn't mean they'll want him going full blast. I'm sure they'll be careful with him -- no sense in rushing him when you don't really need him right away.
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People always assume a backup QB is there to replace your starter or to take over when you lose your QB for a season. You also need a QB who can take over for 4 or 5 games and win at least half of those games to keep your team in contention. I don't have any confidence in Murray or Bray to do that. Daniel can at least manage a game to a few close wins.
This team went 9-0 with damn near nothing coming from the QB position.
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