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Old 05-11-2014, 11:50 AM  
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Jeff Flanagan: "Tyler Bray slow to grasp pro system"

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In a puff piece on Aaron Murray, an interesting tidbit:

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The Chiefs already have starter Alex Smith, backup Chase Daniel and developmental quarterback Tyler Bray.

The Chiefs could save $1.4 million if they were to release Daniel. Bray, though, seems the most vulnerable. Although the Chiefs love his arm strength, he was slow to grasp the pro system.

Murray likely won't have those issues since he already has played in a pro passing system at Georgia.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:54 PM   #106
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That doesn't mean they'll want him going full blast. I'm sure they'll be careful with him -- no sense in rushing him when you don't really need him right away.
Yep, they should let Murray sit out a year anyway unless he just blows the balls off of Bray(Who sounds like he isn't working his ass off with a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady like drive) and Danielssssssssssssssssssssss.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:55 PM   #107
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I'm guessing that all four go into camp, and Bray is let go at the first cuts. In this case, Murray being more of an unknown works to his advantage because if Bray has been with the team a year and hasn't picked things up, that seems to align with the reasons he was UDFA anyway.

Murray on the other hand has intangibles and maturity and the work ethic that Bray has been held back by. Certainly one of them is the better bet as a developmental project.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:06 PM   #108
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I don't understand how a professional player isn't able to "Grasp a System".


It's their job FFS.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:16 PM   #109
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I don't understand how a professional player isn't able to "Grasp a System".


It's their job FFS.
Some people just don't mentally digest things to acceptable levels.

I'm confident in saying I'm smarter than the average guy, and was smarter than kids my age when I was in HS but I turn into a doorknob humping moron when it comes to playing sports. Especially basketball: I could never run an offensive play on the court because I just couldn't understand the step by step setup of them. In football I'd forget to call out crackback blocks on an LB.
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:39 PM   #110
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:06 PM   #111
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People always assume a backup QB is there to replace your starter or to take over when you lose your QB for a season. You also need a QB who can take over for 4 or 5 games and win at least half of those games to keep your team in contention. I don't have any confidence in Murray or Bray to do that. Daniel can at least manage a game to a few close wins.
What evidence do you have to support this notion?

He's got more time invested in KC's playbook. That's it. That's the only legitimate experience he has over Murray and Bray.

He's not Josh McCown or Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton or Kerry Collins. He's not this stalwart dependable ride-the-storm backup. He's an unknown. Unproven. He's basically no better than a smart and successful rookie with limited starting QB traits like Murray.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:18 PM   #112
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:19 PM   #113
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I don't understand how a professional player isn't able to "Grasp a System".


It's their job FFS.
Well I can answer that for you.

Tyler Bray had different coaches at Tennessee. None of the systems he ran were considered to be extremely stringent and hard to learn.

The west coast offense is one of the hardest to learn. Not every qb is going to be like Alex Smith and be able to soak it all in immediately and be ready to go.

Especially a qb like Bray, who spent more time with the Scout team running other teams playbooks for that particular week is going to take a little longer.

I would say lets see how it works out come the preseason.

Im betting that its going to be very hard for the Chiefs to cut him.

I could see the Chiefs cutting Daniel before they cut Bray.

I could see Murray as the 3rd string inactive qb this year, and Bray as the primary back up.

And a situation very much like in San Francisco that if Alex does get hurt, he may never get his job back from Bray.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:21 PM   #114
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:21 PM   #115
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Well I can answer that for you.

Tyler Bray had different coaches at Tennessee. None of the systems he ran were considered to be extremely stringent and hard to learn.

The west coast offense is one of the hardest to learn. Not every qb is going to be like Alex Smith and be able to soak it all in immediately and be ready to go.

Especially a qb like Bray, who spent more time with the Scout team running other teams playbooks for that particular week is going to take a little longer.

I would say lets see how it works out come the preseason.

Im betting that its going to be very hard for the Chiefs to cut him.

I could see the Chiefs cutting Daniel before they cut Bray.

I could see Murray as the 3rd string inactive qb this year, and Bray as the primary back up.

And a situation very much like in San Francisco that if Alex does get hurt, he may never get his job back from Bray.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:26 PM   #116
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I'm a huge huge Mizzou homer... and I'd be fine with the Chiefs cutting Chase. Murray and Bray both have a real chance (or at least some chance) to be a franchise QB. Of the three... Daniel is the longest shot. But he's made a good little career for himself, made a ton of money... good for him.
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I don't think we should cut Daniel simply because a team in the NFL needs a backup capable of giving the team a chance to win a game the way Daniel did last year. That's why most every team has one of those guys and not a bunch of UDFAs on their roster.

At this point in the year it would be a feel-good to send Daniel packing and keep both the young guys, but if Smith was out for a week and we had a must-win game looking at us, wouldn't you rather have Daniel than someone who has never played a down in a real game before?

Fans don't think this way, but coaches and GMs do.
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Well I can answer that for you.

Tyler Bray had different coaches at Tennessee. None of the systems he ran were considered to be extremely stringent and hard to learn.

The west coast offense is one of the hardest to learn. Not every qb is going to be like Alex Smith and be able to soak it all in immediately and be ready to go.

Especially a qb like Bray, who spent more time with the Scout team running other teams playbooks for that particular week is going to take a little longer.

I would say lets see how it works out come the preseason.

Im betting that its going to be very hard for the Chiefs to cut him.

I could see the Chiefs cutting Daniel before they cut Bray.

I could see Murray as the 3rd string inactive qb this year, and Bray as the primary back up.

And a situation very much like in San Francisco that if Alex does get hurt, he may never get his job back from Bray.
Change Bray to Stanzi, and you probably could have heard the same shit that you're saying from a few people last year.
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Well I can answer that for you.

Tyler Bray had different coaches at Tennessee. None of the systems he ran were considered to be extremely stringent and hard to learn.

The west coast offense is one of the hardest to learn. Not every qb is going to be like Alex Smith and be able to soak it all in immediately and be ready to go.

Especially a qb like Bray, who spent more time with the Scout team running other teams playbooks for that particular week is going to take a little longer.

I would say lets see how it works out come the preseason.
I'd like to see a competition in the preseason as well.

Problem is this type of news about Bray isn't surprising. If pre-draft reports last year were true Bray never really put any off the field time in to studying the play book and never learned the whole thing.

And that was in college.

And that's not even mentioning his other douchey behaviors.

It'd be a shame to watch all that talent get pissed away...
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Change Bray to Stanzi, and you probably could have heard the same shit that you're saying from a few people last year.
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