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What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade

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Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future.

The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft.

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QB Alex Smith

Acquired*
DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

* Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out.
Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks.

Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.”

This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing.

Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded:

Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone.
Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time.
Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 , and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.”
Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down.
Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group.
I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.”

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People seem more impressed at the quantity of the picks than the quality of them. Guess I don't get it
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that as much about the 49ers trading around in the draft and the Chiefs just sitting there than it is the Smith trade


apparently we have another ultra conservative GM who either doesn't know how or doesn't believe in maneuvering around. Frustrating

That said, imo the 49ers would have been better moving up and grabbing 4 studs than a bunch of guys who probably won't be able to make their talented roster.
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that as much about the 49ers trading around in the draft and the Chiefs just sitting there than it is the Smith trade


apparently we have another ultra conservative GM who either doesn't know how or doesn't believe in maneuvering around. Frustrating

That said, imo the 49ers would have been better moving up and grabbing 4 studs than a bunch of guys who probably won't be able to make their talented roster.
Cleveland moved around and seemed to get some quality players, SF moved around and ended up with a bunch of ?s imo. Though the Stevie Johnson acquisition was nicely done. also the Brandon Thomas pick pissed me off. If we're gonna draft for the future anyway, he's the ultimate futures investment on the line.

have to say I still think Johnny busts out big time, as in another Cleveland qb fail
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Same here.

The only frustrating thing for me is that, after seeing this past weekend, I think Dorsey might have actually been able to do something with those picks.
I agree. I didn't post it to point out that we somehow got robbed in the Smith trade because I think that still has to be played out.

As I pointed out, I don't like the differences in draft day strategy plain and simple. Let's sit back over the next 5 years and watch. If Dorsey remains on course and doesn't change or grow in his position at all and Baalke stays on, we will evaluate then.
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What I've learned over time is that fans are always more critical of their own team than they are of others and always think the grass is greener.

For instance I work with fans of the Packers and Patriots. They always think their drafts suck. They are alot more critical of Rodgers and Brady than we are.

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We would have missed out on a playoff loss and the tight cap space that's going to make things difficult to keep Smith, Berry, and Houston on the roster!

Also, I think we all know that Flowers is a cap casualty next year, but I don't see how Hali is not in the same boat. It's going to be a real shame that we have to release him from his contract likely before his aging decline begins to happen
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apparently we have another ultra conservative GM who either doesn't know how or doesn't believe in maneuvering around. Frustrating
I mentioned this earlier, but I'm not sure we can actually determine that yet. Because he traded for Smith, he had no 2nd in either draft, and he had a limited number of picks in both (8 last year, 6 now). That's not a lot of ammo for movement. Next year may give us a more clear window into what he wants to do, assuming we don't trade any more picks away for anyone. They should have double-digit picks, and (non comp) picks in every round.

Also the active teams tend to be the ones that have had multiple tradeable picks in the first three rounds (particularly 1st and 2nd). We just haven't been in that position (and probably won't be next year).

We've also been on the clock until the very last second with every pick. That indicates to me that they're talking, but maybe haven't gotten an offer they like. A lack of movement doesn't necessarily mean there's a lack of interest in movement, if that makes sense.

Guess we'll see next year. Maybe.
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After two off-seasons and two drafts I'm pretty much done.

Other than the Cooper find he's been piss poor at drafting.

He's been piss poor at the whole draft process (trading up/down and finding value.)

He's done a piss poor job of retaining talent and a piss poor job of replacing talent through free agency.

I'm throwing in my pink "Pioli" flag right now.

He doesn't trade, draft, or sign well.

Reid will likely buy him two more years because Reid makes poop smell like perfume...
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We would have missed out on a playoff loss and the tight cap space that's going to make things difficult to keep Smith, Berry, and Houston on the roster!

Also, I think we all know that Flowers is a cap casualty next year, but I don't see how Hali is not in the same boat. It's going to be a real shame that we have to release him from his contract likely before his aging decline begins to happen
If it came down to it, our FO would try to trade him for something instead of just releasing him. Gotta believe that, if he's still productive or undergoes a successful position switch to 5-tech, Dorsey would have no problem with signing Hali to a Suggs-like contract extension that can easily be cut without much of a hit after a year or two in the deal.
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After two off-seasons and two drafts I'm pretty much done.

Other than the Cooper find he's been piss poor at drafting.

He's been piss poor at the whole draft process (trading up/down and finding value.)

He's done a piss poor job of retaining talent and a piss poor job of replacing talent through free agency.

I'm throwing in my pink "Pioli" flag right now.

He doesn't trade, draft, or sign well.

Reid will likely buy him two more years because Reid makes poop smell like perfume...
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After two off-seasons and two drafts I'm pretty much done.

Other than the Cooper find he's been piss poor at drafting.

He's been piss poor at the whole draft process (trading up/down and finding value.)

He's done a piss poor job of retaining talent and a piss poor job of replacing talent through free agency.

I'm throwing in my pink "Pioli" flag right now.

He doesn't trade, draft, or sign well.

Reid will likely buy him two more years because Reid makes poop smell like perfume...
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I've listened to interviews of Dorsey & I don't think he is smart enough to pull this off.
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The Cardinals who had the 5th hardest schedule in football ended up with 10 wins, yet the Chiefs who had the easiest schedule in football had 11, yet Carson Palmer would have made it so the Chiefs wouldn't have had a winning record?

Not to mention Palmer was 4-1 in common opponents (ironically all the games were the same home/away wise) with 10 tds and 3 ints and 66% completion pct. Smith was 4-1, with 2 tds and 3 ints and 58% completion. Yet the Chiefs would have finished with a losing record?
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The Cardinals who had the 5th hardest schedule in football ended up with 10 wins, yet the Chiefs who had the easiest schedule in football had 11, yet Carson Palmer would have made it so the Chiefs wouldn't have had a winning record?

Not to mention Palmer was 4-1 in common opponents (ironically all the games were the same home/away wise) with 10 tds and 3 ints and 66% completion pct. Smith was 4-1, with 2 tds and 3 ints and 58% completion. Yet the Chiefs would have finished with a losing record?
I think the Cards 6th rank D had a lot to do with that. Chiefs D was 24.
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