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Old 05-14-2014, 09:04 AM  
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Feds released hundreds of immigrant murderers, drunk drivers, sex-crimes convicts

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...erers-drunken/
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:52 PM   #16
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Obviously, for the Democrat party the more illegals the better.
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Wait...why? Please back up your answer about how they are all voting with some type of proof.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:03 PM   #17
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Alright so im noticing a pattern here...people reacting to sensationalism without actually reading what the article says. I know it can sometimes be hard to move past the slant that supports what you want it to say, but lets go ahead and give it a shot, shall we?

Firstly, the article clearly states that they're immigrants, not ILLEGAL immigrants. If you have a tiny myopic brain like Foreverliar, you're initial response to this article was, "OMG those filthy illegals blah blah ****ing blah". Well, lets go ahead and throw that idea out the window right off the bat and focus on the U.S Immigrants in question here.

Second: Of the 36,000 released, 173 were convicted for some sort of murder. For those who don't like to do math, i'll go ahead and do it for you. 173 = .48% of 36K. Less than HALF a Percent. Kinda takes a little bit of the bite away when we go from 36K to less than Half a percent, eh? Not quite as shocking anymore is it?

3rd: So shock value aside, Of that HALF a percent, 75% were release because of a 2001 SCOTUS ruling. A Ruling that occurred either during the Bush or Clinton Administration, not the Obama Admin.

Don't get me wrong here, i agree that 173 released is 173 too many. But if we're going to put our critical thinking caps on and figure out who's to blame for this .5%, then we should probably look at the SCOTUS ruling that occurred during either the Bush or Clinton Administration, not the Obama admin.

I'm not trying to sound like an Obama apologist here, but if we're going to try to be angry at someone for this then you need to be angry for the right reasons and angry at the right people.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:13 PM   #18
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Second: Of the 36,000 released, 173 were convicted for some sort of murder. For those who don't like to do math, i'll go ahead and do it for you. 173 = .48% of 36K. Less than HALF a Percent. Kinda takes a little bit of the bite away when we go from 36K to less than Half a percent, eh? Not quite as shocking anymore is it?
No, it doesn't take any shock away. 36k is about half of my closest city and you wouldn't find 10 murderers in that 36k. When it comes to murder 173 in 36k is high.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:21 PM   #19
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No, it doesn't take any shock away. 36k is about half of my closest city and you wouldn't find 10 murderers in that 36k. When it comes to murder 173 in 36k is high.
I guess if one of those "few" 173 murderers, murder one of your family or friends, I guess it actually would be a big deal. .48% may be a low percentage but it should be 0% and no reason why it shouldn't be IMO
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:27 PM   #20
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In other cases, the agency was required to release immigrants because of court decisions, including a 2001 Supreme Court ruling that found immigrants whose home countries refused to take them back could not be held for more than six months.

ICE said 75 percent of the convicted murderers released in 2013 were considered “mandatory releases” in compliance with court decisions.

“Others, typically those with less serious offenses, were released as a discretionary matter after career law enforcement officers made a judgment regarding the priority of holding the individual, given ICE’s resources, and prioritizing the detention and removal of individuals who pose a risk to public safety or national security,” ICE said.
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I read that as meaning that most if not all of the serious crime offenders that were released were released because of the 2001 SCOTUS ruling.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:31 PM   #21
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Everyone knows that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants in the first five years of his Presidency than Bush did in his eight, or any other President ever has, right?


Year Number Deported
2012 409,849
2011 396,000
2010 400,000
2009 387,000
2008 358,000
2007 318,000
2006 280,000
2005 245,000
2004 240,000
2003 210,000
2002 165,000
2001 186,000
2000 185,000
1999 175,000

http://www.statisticbrain.com/number...-deportations/
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:49 PM   #22
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No, it doesn't take any shock away. 36k is about half of my closest city and you wouldn't find 10 murderers in that 36k. When it comes to murder 173 in 36k is high.
Im sure there are a lot of communities in which you wouldn't find 10 murderers in 36K. But we're not talking about single communities full of normal people (that obviously includes children and elderly in that number, so it's a silly comparison), we're talking about detained criminals.

Anyhow, im not trying to debate that 173 is a number to sneeze at. As i stated, a 173 is a 173 too many. However, who is to blame for that isn't really up for debate. When 75% of that .5% are released because of a SCOTUS ruling that occurred 8 years before Obama took office, how can anyone sit here and blame Obama Policy?
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:56 PM   #23
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Im sure there are a lot of communities in which you wouldn't find 10 murderers in 36K. But we're not talking about single communities full of normal people (that obviously includes children and elderly in that number, so it's a silly comparison), we're talking about detained criminals.

Anyhow, im not trying to debate that 173 is a number to sneeze at. As i stated, a 173 is a 173 too many. However, who is to blame for that isn't really up for debate. When 75% of that .5% are released because of a SCOTUS ruling that occurred 8 years before Obama took office, how can anyone sit here and blame Obama Policy?
I'm not arguing about any Obama policy. I'm just pointing out that 173 is a rather large number for such a small group of people when you put it into perspective.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:58 PM   #24
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The OP doesn't mention anything about Illegals. Nothing at all.
The post I quoted referred to the Obama administration's attitude toward enforcement of immigration laws.
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:05 PM   #25
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I'd be curious to know what happens to these criminals once they're released. What are they released too? From ICE detention facilities and into a Prison?

I have a hard time believing that they're simply allowed to go home and get away with murder after being convicted.

That would essentially mean that any Immigrant found guilty of murder would only serve a maximum of 6 months. That doesn't sound right at all.

Some important details regarding this process are missing.
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:06 PM   #26
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I would like to hear ICE's explanation of the other 43.25 criminals. You'd think they could draft a press release or something telling who they were, where they went, and so on.

On the other hand, this is a notoriously right-wing paper. Regardless of whether ICE can or will or already has released that explanation, that doesn't mean the Times will report it.
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:07 PM   #27
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Alright so im noticing a pattern here...people reacting to sensationalism without actually reading what the article says
What? Here? Can't be. Because "Jews"/Holocaust/Aaaaaaaarg/".
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Everyone knows that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants in the first five years of his Presidency than Bush did in his eight, or any other President ever has, right?


Year Number Deported
2012 409,849
2011 396,000
2010 400,000
2009 387,000
2008 358,000
2007 318,000
2006 280,000
2005 245,000
2004 240,000
2003 210,000
2002 165,000
2001 186,000
2000 185,000
1999 175,000

http://www.statisticbrain.com/number...-deportations/
Looks like he just continued kicking more out each year. So no big change but not soft on it by any mesure. I found the reasons kind of interesting.

Deporation Purpose 2012 Number Percent

Convicted Criminals 225,390 55 %
Immigration Fugitives 10,423 3 %
Repeat Immigration Violators 86,405 21 %
Border Removal 69,957 17 %
Other Removable Aliens 17,674 4 %
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The more i read, the more convoluted this entire issue becomes. ICE seems to have their own definition for crimes which really twists the numbers around. It's really hard to differentiate the bullshit from the facts.

Im struggling here with the term "Convicted" and the way ICE uses it.

I was under the assumption that "Convicted" meant that the person was charged for a crime after being heard and determined by a Judge and or Jury. Apparently that isn't the case.

Example: If an immigrant were to be given a citation for speeding, they are now deemed a "Convicted Criminal" by ICE, even if that citation were thrown out or resolved in Court.

Same applies to these "Murderers". If someone is picked up by ICE for Negligent Manslaughter, they're considered "Convicted" for murder even though they haven't been formally tried and convicted by a court. They then release these "Convicts" to house arrest/Probation until they're able to meet with a Judge, at which point they're able to defend themselves and a trial can be heard to determine if they're actually guilty of murder.

That's incredibly diluted and makes it difficult for the general public to determine who they're releasing back into the public and whether or not that person is a legitimate threat to society.

The more i read, the more of a mess it seems to be.

How do we determine that someone is a legitimate convicted murderer if they've never had a trial in a court room?

Clearly, a LOT of homework needs to be done before we can draw any real conclusions. What a mess this is.
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The more i read, the more convoluted this entire issue becomes. ICE seems to have their own definition for crimes which really twists the numbers around. It's really hard to differentiate the bullshit from the facts.

Im struggling here with the term "Convicted" and the way ICE uses it.

I was under the assumption that "Convicted" meant that the person was charged for a crime after being heard and determined by a Judge and or Jury. Apparently that isn't the case.

Example: If an immigrant were to be given a citation for speeding, they are now deemed a "Convicted Criminal" by ICE, even if that citation were thrown out or resolved in Court.

Same applies to these "Murderers". If someone is picked up by ICE for Negligent Manslaughter, they're considered "Convicted" for murder even though they haven't been formally tried and convicted by a court. They then release these "Convicts" to house arrest/Probation until they're able to meet with a Judge, at which point they're able to defend themselves and a trial can be heard to determine if they're actually guilty of murder.

That's incredibly diluted and makes it difficult for the general public to determine who they're releasing back into the public and whether or not that person is a legitimate threat to society.

The more i read, the more of a mess it seems to be.

How do we determine that someone is a legitimate convicted murderer if they've never had a trial in a court room?

Clearly, a LOT of homework needs to be done before we can draw any real conclusions. What a mess this is.
Well that makes all the information a pile of Crap. Maybe that is the idea. The government has so many ways to lie to us and each other no one can ever be sure what they are or are not doing.
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