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Old 05-14-2014, 10:04 AM  
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Old 05-14-2014, 07:58 PM   #46
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No freaking kidding... that wasn't a citation.

Maybe try something with words that analyzes that video and provides readers with the context and meaning.

Also... I already did do the research, and know it's B.S., but wanted an actual citation so I could specifically refute it.
Nope. Try again. No wonder you rabidly support unions... you "work" like only a union man could.

BTW Suzy Khimm didn't do her research either. Googling until you find a blog that supports your preconceived notion of things isn't "research." ATEP doesn't account for a large portion of the numbers.

What is actually happening is that the Obama administration "shifted" the numbers so that border apprehensions would be lower and took those people and added them to "deportations." Now they get to claim that the border is more secure (it isn't) and that deportations are up (they aren't).

Remember, I'm a pro immigration guy so I have no vested interest in this. I just don't appreciate a dirtbag administration where this kind of deception is commonplace.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:01 PM   #47
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Nope. Try again. No wonder you rabidly support unions... you "work" like only a union man could.

BTW Suzy Khimm didn't do her research either. Googling until you find a blog that supports your preconceived notion of things isn't "research." ATEP doesn't account for a large portion of the numbers.

What is actually happening is that the Obama administration "shifted" the numbers so that border apprehensions would be lower and took those people and added them to "deportations." Now they get to claim that the border is more secure (it isn't) and that deportations are up (they aren't).

Remember, I'm a pro immigration guy so I have no vested interest in this. I just don't appreciate a dirtbag administration where this kind of deception is commonplace.
Citation needed.

And no where did you refute anything that article said.

Keep reaching. First it was "turn aways" which is what the ATEP, started under Bush in 2008, addressed. Now its "shifting" WTF does that even mean.

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Old 05-14-2014, 08:02 PM   #48
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I'll direct you to the post right above this and that left wing rag the washington post.

And lazy is posting a two plus hour video instead of actually finding a citation.

Oh, and I believe this is where I say I already refuted your regurgitated rightwing talking point.
a BLOG on the Post website? One with no citations but instead a giant supposition, one that doesn't add up?

You are clueless on this subject, just like you are on most subjects.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:03 PM   #49
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a BLOG on the Post website? One with no citations but instead a giant supposition, one that doesn't add up?

You are clueless on this subject, just like you are on most subjects.
Says the person who can't even find a single citation for your claims.



Keep reaching.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:08 PM   #50
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Here, I can keep going:

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WASHINGTON -- The House Judiciary Committee unleashed its latest attack Friday on the Obama administration for its immigration enforcement: a claim that the Department of Homeland Security is "cooking the books" on deportation by including undocumented immigrants who are caught at the border and then sent away.

It's partially true. Immigration and Customs Enforcement under the Obama administration does count those removals in its total deportation figures. The problem with the claim, though, is that the policy isn't really an Obama-era conspiracy -- it's just the way deportation numbers have been tabulated for years.

The George W. Bush administration also counted immigrants caught at the border, in both general enforcement and as part of a program started in 2008 called the Alien Transfer Exit Program, the program with which the committee takes issue. Bush also deported fewer people per year -- far fewer in some years -- than the current administration.

"ICE accounting methodologies related to individuals arrested by the Border Patrol have not changed under this Administration," ICE spokesman Ross Feinstein said in a statement. "These border-related removals have increased in recent years as ICE has dedicated unprecedented resources to border security and has significantly increased its presence along the border."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1828860.html

Call it what you want "turn aways" "Shifting", whatever. It was still started under Bush, still always counted.

So, your "turn aways" comment is B.S.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:08 PM   #51
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Citation needed.

And no where did you refute anything that article said.

Keep reaching. First it was "turn aways" which is what the ATEP, started under Bush in 2008, addressed. Now its "shifting" WTF does that even mean.

My God, it is startling how ****ing stupid you are.

ATEP started under Bush...we know this. It has nothing to do with this topic other than the fact that under OBAMA they started counting ATEP numbers as deportations where they were counted as border apprehensions before. Of course ATEP weren't the only border apprehensions that were shifted to the "deportation" category.

Either way... it's a purposeful deception and it skewed this numbers.

Here is a FACT for you. INTERIOR deportations are down. Significantly.

I am fine with this fact, hell, I love it... I am NOT fine with being LIED TO about it.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:12 PM   #52
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My God, it is startling how ****ing stupid you are.

ATEP started under Bush...we know this. It has nothing to do with this topic other than the fact that under OBAMA they started counting ATEP numbers as deportations where they were counted as border apprehensions before. Of course ATEP weren't the only border apprehensions that were shifted to the "deportation" category.

Either way... it's a purposeful deception and it skewed this numbers.

Here is a FACT for you. INTERIOR deportations are down. Significantly.

I am fine with this fact, hell, I love it... I am NOT fine with being LIED TO about it.
Bush counted ATEP turn aways in deportations too, numbnuts. It is in his 2008 numbers. Jesus Christ are you obtuse. And you call me stupid, lol.

And I am still waiting for you to provide any type of citation for your lies.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:16 PM   #53
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Here, I can keep going:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1828860.html

Call it what you want "turn aways" "Shifting", whatever. It was still started under Bush, still always counted.

So, your "turn aways" comment is B.S.
Nope. Not according to the head of Homeland Security. Nor according to the subcommittee who looks at the numbers. Feinstein is referring to ICE counts and not how Homeland Security is then told to present the data. The presentation (calling some deportation instead of border apprehension) changed. No one is claiming that ICE's methodology is incorrect. It's how the numbers are then grouped after the fact that is at issue.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:18 PM   #54
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:26 PM   #55
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I would for someone like you who isn't a lazy douche but that'd be cheating for Lazyiguana. It'd be nice to see him actually research a topic instead of regurgitating talking points from whatever far left rag he happens to be reading at the moment.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:28 PM   #56
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Here's my citation...

United States House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security
more specifically, Rep Culberson on the committee speaking in the video.

He SPECIFICALLY states that as a member of the subcommittee that is NOT how the numbers were presented under previous administrations. The head of Homeland Security doesn't disagree with his assessment.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:44 PM   #57
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I'll dumb it down for you. (using made up numbers)

Before ATEP..

5 people caught by border patrol and 5 other people caught inside the US by ICE. That would equal 5 border apprehensions and 5 deportations.

After ATEP (under Bush, and I believe early Obama years)..

5 people caught by border patrol and 5 other people caught inside the US by ICE. Of the 5 caught by border patrol 2 would be handed over to ICE then deported. That would still equal 5 border apprehensions and 5 deportations.

At some point under Obama...

5 people caught by border patrol and 5 other people caught inside the US by ICE. Of the 5 caught by border patrol 2 would be handed over to ICE then deported. That would NOW equal 3 border apprehensions and 7 deportations.

Neither border patrol nor ICE is cooking the books with fake numbers. That isn't the accusation. ICE still reports the same numbers for interior and ATEP that they always have. BUT NOW it is presented differently for obvious political reasons.

Even if you ignore the deceptive practice it doesn't change the FACT that interior deportations are way down.

Something I have ZERO issue with. I'm an open borders guy. Prove that you are willing to work and aren't a criminal or security risk and if it was up to me I'd take everyone who wants in.
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Old 05-14-2014, 09:11 PM   #58
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Okay, so that's a legit citation, and a virtually unimpeachable source. If you want my entire analysis . . .

Spoiler!


With all of that said, yeah. It really happened. This one goes to Austin Chief.
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Old 05-14-2014, 10:26 PM   #59
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All this talk of people being sent back at the border under Obama reminds me how Obama loves illegal immigrants.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:14 AM   #60
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Okay, so that's a legit citation, and a virtually unimpeachable source. If you want my entire analysis . . .

Spoiler!


With all of that said, yeah. It really happened. This one goes to Austin Chief.
Except for the FACT that turn a ways were counted in Bush 2008 numbers.

And I am still waiting on the citation. A Rep. saying something isn't a citation. Those guys will say anything.
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